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And here I was waiting to get unplugged, or maybe finding a Nokia phone that received a call.

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[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Dr. Faizal says the same limitation applies to physics. “We have demonstrated that it is impossible to describe all aspects of physical reality using a computational theory of quantum gravity,” he explains. 

“Therefore, no physically complete and consistent theory of everything can be derived from computation alone.”

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

Impossible to describe does not mean that it’s not possible to simulate, and impossible is an incredibly strong criterion that sounds quite inaccurate to me. We simulate weather systems all the time, even though the systems are fundamentally chaotic and it’s impossible to forecast accurately. We don’t even know that gravity is quantum, so that’s quite a weird starting point but we’ll ignore that for a second. What is this argument?

This seems like a huge leap to conclude that just because some aspects of our understanding seem like we wouldn’t be able to fully describe them somehow means that the universe can’t be simulated.

“Drawing on mathematical theorems related to incompleteness and indefinability, we demonstrate that a fully consistent and complete description of reality cannot be achieved through computation alone,” says Dr. Faizal.

Who’s to say that reality is completely defined? Perhaps there are aspects to what we consider the real universe that are uncertain. Isn’t that foundational to quantum mechanics?

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 0 points 2 months ago

We simulate weather systems all the time, even though the systems are fundamentally chaotic and it’s impossible to forecast accurately.

Weather simulations are approximations. It’s not an exact replication of the universe.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

But who sait it must be a perfect match?

I mean they can argue that we can't simulate correctly the universe (just check kaos theory) but that doesn't mean we cant simulate a universe. Even a universe that looks feels like ours.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 0 points 2 months ago

The paper makes the argument that the universe we live in is mathematically uncomputable. No algorithm can describe it. There’s no mathematical formula we can use to compute the universe as it is.

If this is the case, then we don’t live inside a computer. Something more than pure computation is required.

Now their argument is that quantum gravity is the thing that makes the universe uncomputable. I’m not sure how valid this part of their argument is.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

If this is the case, then we don’t live inside a computer. Something more than pure computation is required.

SO many assumptions in that statement

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