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People in Britain who think they are governed by fools should take a closer look at the Russian and US presidents. Vladimir Putin is systematically ruining his country. His war of choice in Ukraine is an economic, financial, geopolitical and human calamity for Russia that worsens by the day. For his own murky reasons, Donald Trump, another national menace, offered him a lifeline last week. Yet Putin spurned it. These two fools deserve each other.

On the table in Moscow was a “peace” deal that, broadly speaking, rewarded Russia’s aggression by handing over large chunks of Ukrainian land, compromised Kyiv’s independence and weakened its defences against any future attack. The Trump deal, if forced through, would have split the US and Europe; ruptured Nato, perhaps fatally; reprieved Russia’s pariah economy; and probably toppled Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s government.

These are key Russian war aims. But Putin, suffering from neo-imperial fantasies and legacy issues, said “no”. He reckons he can get it all, and more, by fighting on. He has persuaded the idiot Trump that Russia’s victory is inevitable – and that scheming Europeans are the real warmongers. Yet his premise is fundamentally flawed. Hard facts confound him. Almost four years on, he’s still trapped in Donbas mud and ice. And at home, things fall apart.

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[-] Mihies@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago

I've been hearing the same since the start of the war - Russia is running out of weapons, economy is collapsing etc. but here we are, Russia still kicking Ukraine's ass and sending hundreds of drones and plenty of missiles each day. Russia is resilient plus help from NK, China and Iran - I doubt they will collapse anytime soon. But even if they collapse, who will get the helm? Will it be better for Ukraine? World?

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 6 points 4 months ago

Bullshit. They planned to conquer Kiev in 3 days. Here we are almost 4 years later. It’s surprising how weak they are.

[-] ZMoney@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

They planned for Zelenskyy's government to collapse. It didn't. That doesn't mean they're unable to carry on the war indefinitely with a major advantage in manpower and war material.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

They were already importing arillery shells, and they are out of Soviet reserves.

They won't collapse, but they will drift even more into the Chinese sphere of influence, while they have already lost their own.

Point is, the West and China can keep Ukrainians and Russians killing each other as long as they don't stop funding either side, which will then collapse pretty much immediately.

In any case, Russia is pretty much done as a world power, and the only two questions is whether the US and the EU will become independent world players after Trump, and when the killing will actually stop.

It's a purely political question, because both China and the EU can keep this up forever.

[-] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 2 points 4 months ago

If i was Xi I'd be invading Eastern Russia and annexing Siberia/Kamchatka/Vladivostok and seizing the oil reserves.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

Why invade when they can colonise without invasion?

There is no point doing that as long as the Belt and Road takes over old Russian aligned states' infrastructure and the kids of the Moscow elite start learning Mandarin, both of which is happening.

I expect when climate change melts the permafrost, the companies exploiting Siberia's riches will be all Chinese. If Russia is luckier than most, they will at least employ Russians for the more menial jobs. As long as they can speak fluent Mandarin.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 4 months ago

China wisely prefer s economic domination rather than military. And Russia's still got nukes.

[-] ZMoney@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I don't think it's this simple. Russia is primarily relying on China as a buyer for its hydrocarbons. It has a large and developed military industrial complex. Ukraine has had to bootstrap its arms industry since the war started. Russia also imports artillery from North Korea. Europe has historically had a dearth of war material and industry, so Ukraine can't just order a million shells from Germany or something, although maybe this is where we're headed. Just because we don't want Russia to win doesn't mean they don't have major military and economic advantages. Ukraine hasn't gained any territory since the Kursk offensive, which was short lived, and they lose ground slowly every day. While I agree that this can go on indefinitely, I don't think the sides are evenly matched.

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 1 points 4 months ago

They can’t and have neither. The soviet era equipment is a crumbling pile of junk and if they try to draft more soldiers Putin faces mutiny, something he absolutely doesn’t need right now. Russias economy is in shambles. After 4 years of war.

The best thing they can do is just pretend they are so strong that they can carry on in this war forever. So… just shut the fuck up.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Don't be rude. We've been hearing of "crumbling Soviet equipment" and "Putin facing mutiny" for 4 years. It's not unreasonable to be frustrated that though Russia has not advanced they also have not retreated and are continuing their war.

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 3 points 4 months ago

Yet we didn’t hear it from the beginning. In the beginning we saw the might of the second strongest military of the world ready to crush a smaller country in no time. 100 000s of troops, a fleet of battleships, fighter jets and tanks. We all remember this giant column of thousands and thousands of tanks on the way to Kiev. They’re were untouchable.

Where are they now? Where is the flagship of one of the worlds strongest militaries? Where are the men that first heralded the attack? Where are those untouchable tanks?

I’m generally rude to russian propagandists. What I can’t stand even less are useful idiots. What are you?

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

Technically the Moskva was the Black Sea Fleet flagship, not the overall flagship of the Russian Navy.

That's the aircraft carrier Kuznetsov, which can't even move under its own power, and its air complement couldn't be replenished since the 80s.

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

I’m generally rude to russian propagandists.

No - you're just an asshole.

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 0 points 4 months ago

And you’re a coward, since you didn’t answered my questions.

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[-] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 2 points 4 months ago

The evidence is there though.

What other developed military sends its troops to the front on motorbikes and camels?

Russia is sending its infantry into a grinder, on foot and on the back of animals.

The cupboard is bare, they just refuse to admit it

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

I'm not saying that Russia is a great military power - but they've been sufficiently powerful enough to maintain a position in Ukraine for longer than many people have said they should be able to.

You can laugh at their tactics, their weapons, their troops, etc. But they're still there. So you might imagine it's frustrating for people to hear "any day now - they're gonna crack" without any sense that an actual tide has turned.

[-] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 3 points 4 months ago

"They're still there".

Barely, in a country with a military that is tiny in comparison.

I agree, Ukraine might not have enough to remove them. But Russia with a population and military that was significantly larger is still unable to advance. They dont even have air superiority against an airforce that is at best 10% the size of the Russian one.

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[-] perestroika@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In the first 2 years, we waited for use of armoured vehicles to hit their monthly rate of production. This has largely happened, the reserves of armour that USSR built up have been spent by Russia. Vehicles that still stand in parking lots require deep renovation (slow and costly). So this prediction has largely come true.

In the first 3 years, we waited for Russia's sovereign wealth fund to empty, ending Putin's ability to shelter the economy against the cost of war. This now seems to have largely happened, as the central bank is selling reserves of gold. It follows that more appropriate things to sell are scarce.

We also waited for Russia's inventory of civilian planes and railway locomotives + carriages to degrade due to lack of spare parts. This has not fully come true. Planes fly less, railways transport less, but they smuggle spare parts from third countries.

We have waited for Russia's oil and gas revenues to fall, and they have fallen, considerably. At current levels, under Ukrainian "sanctions by drone", Russia has to cut other budget lines to finance the war - and it has cut or frozen other budget lines (social security, health care, education, almost everything - war makes up approximately 40% of the government budget).

We have waited for the wages of soldiers to drop, and for soldiers to understand that inflation will make the money they got worthless. This has only partly happened - several regions have announced that they cannot pay large one-time compensations to people going to war.

We have waited for a crisis in Russia's economy, and in some sectors there already is a crisis. Purchases of new cars, real estate and agricultural equipment have fallen sharply. Many companies have reduced work weeks (reduced pay), owe employees wages, or cannot service their debts.

If Putin overplays his hand and economy does collapse, this does not automatically mean his replacement. He's a dictator and has a KGB background, he knows to expect rebellions and can supress them. He knows to expect a coup and may prevent one.

Eventually he'll be replaced. We can't influence or predict the personal characteristics of his successor, but whoever replaces him will very surely want to end the war, and doesn't have to save face while doing that.

However, Levada's polls - arguably the only polls which could indicate the real state of Russian society - do not indicate the ground shifting yet. They indicate that people are universally tired of the war, but not yet willing to end it by returning land to Ukraine.

For example, the "country is going in the right direction" indicator currently stands at 65%. Surfing on waves of war propaganda, it topped at 75% last year (rising from a low of 48% before the war - explains why Putin needed the war - to secure his own power), but it's in a downward trend.

So, sadly, propaganda is still working, but it's not working as well as it used to. In the "battle of the fridge and TV" (for people's opinion) sadly the TV still prevails.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Eventually he’ll be replaced. We can’t influence or predict the personal characteristics of his successor, but whoever replaces him will very surely want to end the war, and doesn’t have to save face while doing that.

One thing I learned reading the ISW's reports (especially around the Wagner coup attempt) is that Putin is apparently a moderate in Russian politics. There are some regional leaders I might honestly prefer Putin to.

[-] perestroika@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago

If you think of Kadyrov, he's visibly very unwell. Watched a video of him condemning a Ukrainian drone strike recently. Barely keeps his eyes open and reads like a robot.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you think of Kadyrov

Yeah, the Chechen guy.

he’s visibly very unwell

I don't wish sickness on folks, but honestly, that'll help me sleep easier. What he says in public is scary.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Wow what a great person

[-] NeilBru@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Russia still kicking Ukraine's ass

What, in your mind, is the attrition/casualty rate per kilometer of advancement by the Russian army?

I don't think you're getting information from an impartial news source.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think you’re being abrasive about it, but are making a decent point.

Yes, lots of clickbait exaggerated Russia's fragility. Some actual analysts underestimated certain aspects of Russia.

And Russia won many geopolitical dice rolls:

  • Trump won.
  • Europe is still bickering internally.
  • India bought their oil for a long time.
  • China stayed tolerant.
  • Wagner coup failed, but only barely.

And so on.


There are some nasty, ambitious figures in Russian politics apparently “reigned in” by Putin now. If he's deposed… what happens? Do we get a Russia fractured by warlords armed with Soviet warheads? I’d much rather see it vassalized by China or something.

And yeah, at the end of the day this is the physically largest country on Earth, backed by the most populous, invading a tiny one. Endless war is utterly catastrophic for the Russian people, but (if the US basically withdraws from NATO and Europe keeps being Europe), they are on an extremely slow track to grind down Ukraine and claim the ashes :(


Anyway, you should read ISW’s reports on the war:

https://www.understandingwar.org/

They have a quite grounded take. And from the even before the war started (when forces massed on the border), they’ve been warning that Russia has the political power to grind on. They tried to warn policymakers about the clickbait.

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