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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why am I supposed to see in that the logic of the political project that reformed Puyi

I don't say this usually, but shit really ain't that deep bro, despite the whole amoral species thing, the allegory and subtext about the demons is pretty well intact; German aristocrats doing genocide and colonialism, that's their theme, yeah "it's in their blood", sure call that problematic, big whoop

Come back to me when their presentation is orientalized or is harking to racial caricatures from the west, otherwise your argument is standing on sand

Also there's this, which could have come straight from a white nationalist manifesto.

Aside from the fact the context of the arc blows your accusation out of the water, Frieren isn't berating Macht for having the audacity to desire coexistence, she's pointing out his idea of "coexistence" seems to be nothing more than treating others around him as "playthings" and "curiosities" that are thrown away at the slightest inconvenience

So a creature with the goofiest German name, dressed like a noble from a Czarist court, treating those he deems lesser than himself with a colonial mindset, I wonder what the subtext could possibly be

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

I don't say this usually, but shit really ain't that deep bro, despite the whole amoral species thing, the allegory and subtext about the demons is pretty well intact; German aristocrats doing genocide and colonialism, that's their theme, yeah "it's in their blood", sure call that problematic, big whoop

Fascists fucking love this "curtains are just blue bro, don't look into it, authors don't actually think about stuff bro, they're just story machines, don't look at the themes bro, don't think about anything and just passively absorb everything" bullshit. Media literacy is important, and it saddens me to see you think like this.

As a professional writer myself, every single theme and idea put into something is put there with intent, unconscious or not. If the show has a literal "nits make lice" scene about a child of the evil enemy it's because the author wanted to make a point about that exact idea, and in the show, it explicitly shows that the only correct and moral choice is to exterminate them all, because they are literally born evil, and are incapable of changing their nature, despite being intelligent and sapient like people and perfectly capable of descision making and personal choice(but they only ever make choices to deceive and destroy people). Can you not see how this is an extremely problematic theme in a show that is supposed to be about human connection?

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

Frankly I think it's ironic you're accusing me of "Curtians are just blue" type shit when that's precisely what I think you and all the other "Frieren is racist" leftists are doing, obsessing over in-lore aesthetics and tortured interpretations of presentation while completely missing the subtext and allegorical themes of what the Demons are supposed to represent, which sure as shit isn't black people, Jews or whatever you all seem to be implying

The allegory of uncaring aristocrats bound by blood to commit genocide and colonialism, may contain problematic elements, but it doesn't prove your accusation that the series is attempting to normalize racism

[-] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Frankly I think it's ironic you're accusing me of "Curtians are just blue" type shit when that's precisely what I think you and all the other "Frieren is racist" leftists are doing

The "blue curtains" reading would be "the demons don't represent anything, it's just a story." We're not doing that. We're describing how certain elements in the story facilitate a symbolic interpretation that differs from yours.

what the Demons are supposed to represent

Death of the author, what they're "supposed" to represent is irrelevant, we're judging the work by what is present within it and the cultural and historical context within which it exists.

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