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Frieren Vs demon. (hexbear.net)
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I think people are huge nerds for going "this is a fascism" out of someone making a literal demon actually evil in a setting with dragons, elves and demons and shit

I also keep thinking about how, yeah, chainsawman has better politics overall (death to america), but is it really so much better to have a depiction of a species that's 99.999% evil instead of 100% evil? not really, but I've never heard anybody ever saw Chainsawman is doing a fascism by having inherently evil devils doing evil devil shit

it's very tiring

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 10 points 5 days ago

Chainsaw Man and JJK are examples of what the writer of Frieren was trying to subvert. i.e. they have demons that are trying to change or it shows change is possible. Frieren wanted to play against the trend by going "Nope! Our demons are just classically evil."

Unfortunately the writer didn't think about the implications or why other stories were trying to move away from the trope to begin with. I don't think they actively sat down and were all "Hehehehehe I'm gonna do a racism!" or are even racist to begin with. They just unintentionally created something racist because they live in a racist world with racist history that's impossible to ignore.

The story would be fine if racism wasn't real, but that's not the world we live in.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Oh so you think making them 99.9999% evil instead of 100.00% evil is a meaningful story distinction huh i see lesson learned you can avoid nerd criticism for having your literally evil evils be evil as long as there's 1 or two of "the good ones," racism defeated

I already find "race essentialism in fantasy media is a 1:1 with real life racism" to be tedious nerd shit when people are talking about orcs and goblins and shit but it's even more tedious when we're talking about devils and demons and things which are conceptually linked with evil and the moment they're not they stop being 'demons' or 'devils'

[-] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I already find "race essentialism in fantasy media is a 1:1 with real life racism" to be tedious nerd shit when people are talking about orcs and goblins and shit

That's nice, I find fantasies of being able to righteously commit genocide tedious.

devils and demons and things which are conceptually linked with evil and the moment they're not they stop being 'demons' or 'devils'

Is communism evil?

[CW: Homophobia] Is homosexuality evil?

[CW: Misogyny] Is feminism evil?

It seems to me that a lot of demonic things are, in fact, objectively cool and good

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