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Ford Will Take $19.5 Billion Hit as It Rolls Back E.V. Plans
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LFP batteries are cheaper. Makes me wonder if they could increase their profit margins and lower the prices by simply switching existing vehicles to LFP. Trying to remember how many EVs ford makes — two? Mustang SUV and EV Truck is all I can remember.
No one is shipping small cars in the US except one mini and one VW. Ford doesn’t even ship sedans anymore. This is really going to bite them when they realize we’re in stagflation and no one can afford expensive cars or expensive gas anymore. Does Ford even have a small car in another market they could bring here? Or will they be forced to slap their badge on someone else’s product?
Edit: Just read they are revising it to add a gas generator. Thats neither cheaper, nor is it going to sell any better.
https://www.engadget.com/transportation/evs/ford-is-rebooting-the-f-150-lightning-as-an-erev-with-a-gas-generator-222529768.html
The main reason why people avoided the lightning was poor range while towing.
The European Ford EVs will be rebadged Renaults.
Not true, Stellantis will be selling this awesome EV in 2026 from FIAT. Hilarious. Bullshit compliance car to prove Americans won't buy EVs.
Fiat has stopped selling Fiats in most of the US at this point. It’s sad and pathetic.
LFP are still heavier for the same energy.
A small engine would replace most of the batteries in a plug-in hybrid. Complexity makes initial cost a wash, and will be much lighter.
Especially for customers looking to haul or tow, this could be a good thing if done right.
This would result in the battery being fully charged and fully depleted on a regular basis. Which is what causes batteries to degrade overtime.
Hybrid batteries don’t last very long for this reason. So they increase the amount the owner spends on batteries in addition to the gas drivetrain maintenance and common failures.
Hybrids have all the negatives of gas and electric without the positives.
The technology exists that address your concerns but it’s common practice to dump costs on consumers these days.
The federal law was 8 years not 10 and that did not include what they call “normal wear and tear” from the battery fully charging and depleting. So the batteries still degrade in less than 8 years and are not covered by the warranty.
Some manufacturers use their software to prevent the battery from fully charging and discharging but it is not required or used by all manufacturers. When it is used it effectively limits your battery capacity in the same way a degraded battery is limited. So it is the same result.
Engines experience the most wear and tear on start up because until the engine is turning, the oil isn’t pumping so on start up the internal parts of the engine are lubricated the least. So hybrids maximize the wear and tear on gas engines.
Not to mention, what you’re describing is what has been known for decades as “city miles” as opposed to “highway miles”. The stop and go, starting and stopping maximizes the wear and tear on the engine and minimizes its lifespan.
This is because Subarus use a unique engine design that no one else uses with head gaskets as a pattern failure.
Using it in a hybrid means you’re paying for the head gaskets and the hybrid systems failures.
I’ve been a master mechanic for over 20 years now. I’m certified in hybrids and EVs and spent a lot of time working on used cars. That’s what I’m basing my comments on.
Like clockwork, hybrid vehicle owners sell their vehicles before the power train warranty is up because warranties don’t cover normal wear and tear.
Hybrids have two drive trains with twice the maintenance and part failures. Both drivetrains operate under the worst conditions (fully charge/deplete, start/stop) so when they start to break down it is twice as expensive.
dude... keep pulling stuff out of your ass. Everything in your post is wrong. Cab companies in every city use hybrids.
Because people like you bullshitting on your agenda.
Of course as a Master something, you would know brake systems on hybrids last 2X other vehicles, and the electric torque takes huge strain off transmissions and ICE motors. I've had hybrids for over 20 years with none of your issues. With fuel savings, free cars.
Maybe if you parrot this enough, it will come true. Hybrids use 40% petrol of gas versions, and cab companies get >300,000 miles from hybrids. No range issues and Toyota hybrids are the most reliable vehicles in the last 30 years. My hybrid battery has a 10 year warranty -try getting that from a Xiaofeng Sea Eel.
Hybrids have two drivetrains you have to pay for. That is a fact. Nothing you can say will change that.
Those taxis could last to 999,999 miles if they kept dumping money into them. Because that is all that determines how long a car stays on the road.
Gas drivetrains have spark plugs, ignition coils, distributors, valve cover gaskets, air filters, fuel filters, timing belts, water pumps, accessory belts, oil, oil filters, coolant, crankshaft seals, rear main seals, oil pan gaskets, transmission pan gaskets, transmission filters, transmission fluid, differential fluid, power steering fluid, and on and on and on and that’s just the maintenance.
EVs have none of that and like you mentioned the brakes last way longer than on gas engines.
So why would anyone waste money on a hybrid when they can get an EV?
You are obviously shilling the way you are campaigning for hybrids.