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every person is innocent by default. complete and trusted. it’s the gov’s job to PROPERLY prove guilt.
That I said CRIMINALS, implies that I’m talking about people who are NOT innocent.
And I didn’t say how our system of law should perceive them, I said that they will all claim to be innocent.
What crime has he been found guilty of?
criminal title can ONLY be applied AFTER trial. Until trial and a jury says guilty - they are NOT criminals. Luigi? Not a criminal.
I don’t think you understand how ANY of this works.
Innocent doesn’t mean you did not do a crime. You can’t go murder someone and if a court finds you innocent, if means you never killed anyone.
It means not enough evidence was brought for a hurry to convict you of the crime you ACTUALLY committed.
So when someone say “criminal” it’s safe to assume they mean someone who ACTUALLY COMMITTED A CRIME.
Lastly, I wasn’t talking about Luigi, I was countering a point that someone claimed ALL cops plant evidence which is every bit as untrue as believing that ALL criminals are innocent.
the burden of proof is on the state. the title criminal applies only after the state does its job properly. even if they DID PHYSICALLY do the thing if the state fails, they may have PHYSICALLY done the thing but they are NOT a criminal. Because that title applies to the “eyes” of the state.
So a person is only a murderer if they’re caught?
LMAO. That’s some ‘uncertainty principle’ level of bullshit right there!
Seems to me, following this logic- if you murder someone, you’d want to get caught, seeing as how as long as no one saw you, and to get away with it- your victim is un-murdered because it only happens if it can be proven.
FROM the point of view of a state? Yes. Why is this so hard to understand?
From the eyes of a neighborhood? No. clearly not. But justice in a neighborhood is different, isn’t it? And when a state fails, a neighborhood is known to take justice into its own hands. cf: Rodney King, etc.
maybe this is why states shouldn’t exist? ;)
Yeah… I can’t waste my time with this. It’s gotten absurd, as usual here on lemmy.