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[-] doubledealer@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Consider https://www.waterfox.com/ as an alternative. Anyone who wants a fair and free internet is probably still fucked in the mid-term unless a new FOSS engine falls out of the sky or a bunch of Mozilla devs jump ship with a hard fork because Waterfox is still downstream of Mozilla, using their engine, and reliant on them maintaining code. But Waterfox is not a bad option at present in a sea of terrible options, and it's what I've switched to.

https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/

Waterfox exists because some users want a browser that simply works well at being a browser. The UI is mature - arguably, it has been a solved for problem for years. The customisation features are available and apparent. The focus is on performance and web standards.

In many ways, browsers are operating systems of their own, and a browser’s job is to be a good steward of that environment. AI, in its current form and in my opinion does not match that responsibility.

And yes, yes - disabling features is all well and good, but at the end of the day, if these AI features are black boxes, how are we to keep track of what they actually do? The core browsing experience should be one that fully puts the user in control, not one where you’re constantly monitoring an inscrutable system that claims to be helping you.

Waterfox will not include LLMs. Full stop. At least and most definitely not in their current form or for the foreseeable future.

[-] RION@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

Would be interesting if this is how Waterfox really differentiates itself. From what I understand there's been no real reason to use it over something like Librewolf or Arkenfox. Fond memories of using it for 64bit support in the early 2010s though

[-] doubledealer@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

There was some initial confusion about Librewolf's stance on AI, at the same time Mozilla Foundation CEO was putting his revolver into one of his orifices, that has since been cleared up: https://chaos.social/@librewolf/115716906957137196

With their clarification on why AI slop was enabled in Librewolf, I'd only caution anyone against Librewolf because they are a hardcore privacy solution for the most conservative risk tolerance. If it doesn't break your browsing or screw with your flow, then it's also a good consideration.

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