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[-] witten@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Notice I said nothing about what is just or unjust. I'm strictly talking tactics. And at this moment in the Trump regime's authoritarian breakthrough, non-violence is still our best bet. History of these sorts of breakthroughs shows that authoritarian regimes are best countered by broad-based public resistance. And yes, that means from normies.

As soon as you start shooting back, you yield the upper hand to ICE and the regime's goons. They know how to deal with violence... It is their language. What they don't know how to deal with is a pissed-off grandma in a chicken costume with the full moral backing of 70% of the population.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

The grandma will still die from breathing in the pepper spray they put in the air intake of the suite. You're saying deaths of innocent protesters are worth it? I'm sorry, but have you been to a protest where ICE gets violent? Are you waiting until someone is killed? Because that's already happened.

We should remain nonviolent in the face of our allies being abducted, tortured, and killed? Where is the line for you? Honestly?

Because I'm not saying this to get people to go do random acts of violence against ICE. I'm saying this so that people like you realize that the preparation for a resistance is needed NOW. You don't just go out and be violent. That's not at all what the Black Panther Party was doing. And honestly, that preparation is likely far too late even now.

[-] witten@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

When ICE commits violence against the unarmed grandma in the chicken suit, they radicalize ten more grandmas—and solidify the position of the normies against ICE.

And anyone who shows up to a protest is making their own risk assessment. Some protests are the strollers and marches type, and that's a pretty low risk level. Some protests are spicier, and they tend to draw a different crowd with a different risk tolerance.

And yes, I'm saying we should remain non-violent in the face of ICE's atrocities, because that is the best tactic for gaining and retaining the wide-spread support necessary to defeat them.

I think the part you're missing is what that support gets us. When there's wide-spread support for those opposing ICE, that gives us more of an ability (and the people power) to attack the pillars of support that prop up the authoritarian regime.

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