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[-] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I was gonna say, only now? I'm in the US and can see it's been a bad actor since at least the end of WW2.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The Native Americans called about their genocide way before WWII.

I suspect when our founding fathers were blowing up and murdering their fellow colonists as seen in the Sons of Liberty they were bad actors.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Before WWII was also very bad

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Banana Republics come to mind. But during the time frame the US was doing that, Most of Europe was still doing their own colonialisms.

It was only when Hitler brought colonialism back to Europe that they started to wake up to how bad it was. Well, some of them. France and England had to start losing colonial wars, mostly due to losses suffered in due to WW2, before they slowly started freeing colonies.

Just shows that everyone is shit, and cheering for a team is kind of stupid.

[-] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

For sure, but was it our primary internal relationship before?

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

If that was a typo and you mean international, then certainly for Spanish speaking, African, and nearby countries as well as china (which is all we could manage at that time, though we probably would have aggressed Europe as well if we could have). If you’re talking about domestic, then yes if you weren’t the right kind of Christian white man.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 months ago

for being riddled with both genocide and [for want of a better word] tyranny*.

[* suppression of hemp and other emancipatory technologies, segregation, slavery, jingoism and coups, corruption, robber barons, colonialism and more genocide, etc]

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean, the Marshall Plan was benevolent. USAID and similar may make us net beneficial to Africa.

Let's not talk about South America.

[-] demonsword@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I mean, the Marshall Plan was benevolent.

No, it wasn't. It was meant to stop the URSS from expanding further west, and as a bonus shackle the rebuild countries as loyal lapdogs that attended to any and every USA whim.

USAID and similar may make us net beneficial to Africa.

Mostly posturing. If the USA were serious about benefitting Africa they'd do something similar to what China is doing right now, partnering and building infrastructure, instead merciless exploitation and throwing a few breadcrumbs here and there.

Let’s not talk about South America.

But we should. What the USA has done here can only be labelled as evil. Overthrowing governments left and right, supporting murderous dictatorships, merciless exploitation like what it did in Africa as well. Foul, evil stuff.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was gonna say, only now?

We love to play the "Obama/Biden were the good ones, they knew how to bomb people and sanction countries ethically" game.

For all Trump's poison, he was dead to rights on the idea of the Deep State - the core bureaucracy of the US government that demands global hegemony and just can't decide how to achieve it.

Trump's been miserable at executing hegemony the liberal way. And we're expected to believe this will make his administration a failure.

But then you look at fascist Middle Eastern states expanding their territory, South American dictatorships sprouting like weeds, and far-right parties gaining ground all over Europe. Hard to ignore that Palantir is doing just fine. White Nationalists are having a heyday from Texas to Tel Aviv.

Clearly, US hegemony is expanding, just not in the way the Clinton/Cheney neocons imagined it.

Corporate Media can't seem to decided whether we're undergoing a fascist takeover or finally Making America Great Again.

I dread to read what the history books say about our country in another ten years, knowing what kind of fucked up AI is writing them today.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That's not what Trump has ever meant by the "deep state".

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