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Are there still significant numbers of people that believe Trump understands the economy or are the minority morons just getting louder, with support from Russia? Were they always just 30-50% Russian as per the recent issue identified on r/conservative
I believe that this is backwards. Trump is fully backed by the US billionaires. There is no opposition among them, which would have financed an impeachment.
This makes Trump's Russian links secondary. I cannot imagine the billionaires to let a guy win who could betray them and their global influence.
Now the success of China demands drastic changes. The Russian links allow the media to shift blame constantly. It would be less convenient if people wouldn't look for the origin of problems in Russia.
The tariff policy on China is necessary to shift production back to the US. The new leverage on other countries is an additional benefit. Like most things this won't be Trump's plan but attributing it to him prevents people from asking more questions. Project 2025 exists. It's neither made by Trump nor Russia.
You are extremely naive if you think tariffs will move production back to the US. Affordable the health care coverage for employers would have a much more profound effect.
The healthcare would be clever. But why do tariffs not work?
The idea behind tarrifs, is that they'll make non-American goods more expensive than American goods, and people will choose the less expensive option.
The problem is, that's not happening. There often isn't a 100% American made option, most "made in the USA" still relies on material imports, which are tarrifed, so their prices went up too.
There isn't enough US materials, so even if you source local aluminum, the demand has outpaced the supply, so the cost has gone up.
Then there's labor, where manufacturing typically imports labor too, but they're being deported, and domestic labor costs more, so prices have gone up.
Tarrifs only work if theres a ton of legislation impacting the companies themselves, because they will never take a voluntary decrease in profit.
So it's also an additional tax that reduces American resource consumption which is a burden. But overall the idea should work. Step by step local producers can create products until everything can be sourced in the US.
Not really. Just tarrifs don't work, because it would require companies to voluntarily reduce profits for a period of time, and publicly traded companies get sued by shareholders if they do stuff like that.
I don't understand why. Do you mean that companies have to make investments in production lines in the US which reduces profits?
The shortage of local aluminum means that somebody can build a new plant because the tariffs allow them to make a profit.
Who? Which supplier do you think will tell their shareholders that they're not getting huge dividends from the tariffs?
All, unless they increase prices.
It's aluminium producers who profit from the tariffs, not buyers.
Exactly. Tariffs drive prices up, and non-tariffed producers are incentivized to also raise prices, because it's pure profit that will go out as fat checks to their shareholders and execs.
Anecdotally, I know some folks who work under the UAW. Before/after a recent round of significant layoffs because of these big, beautiful tariffs, even the union leadership was spouting off how manufacturing would return to the US within years and it would be "worth it." Some of the workers who already didn't want to jump in bed with Trump ate it up. You would think at least leadership in a massive union overseeing any manufacturing/production would at least understand how this was a bad move for their whole organization, but here we are.
The whole reason why the auto sector exists in Canada is the lower health care costs.
GM alone spends $17M/year just on viagra for it's employees.
Always glad to have an opportunity to understand another country's healthcare system and it's inner-workings. Appreciate it 🤙🏻 I remember right-wing people in USA Air Traffic Control would bring up Canada's ATC system and workers, and I would just always bring up retirement/benefits for the differences in pay and how we paid for them anyway - and less efficiently. Plus I'm quite certain their guaranteed workers' protections were better than what we got from the union directly (not USA union bashing at all - just strictly the bennies in comparison).
Why should tariffs not work? What else could bring back manufacturing?
Surely if you want to force manufacturing back to a country via tarrifs you need to be smart and have a graduated tarrif over say 15 years increasing annually. That puts the market on notice but more importantly gives time for infrastructure and skills to be developed without immediately fucking over the population
There is no time for that. The military supposedly is preparing for a war with China as early as 2027, but more likely is 2030 when Europe wants to be ready for Russia.
Even if you build the infrastructure, there will still be Tariffs on the raw materials. The production stateside wouldn't be significant enough to offset that in any way with how things have been built the past 30+ years. If that hypothesis would even be the end goal, they likely would've saved more by pumping out extra acquisitions in the handful of years tariffs have rammed the economy and USA society at its most basic levels *ETA realized I might've more/less double-talked on @YeahToast@aussie.zone