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[-] cadekat@pawb.social 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Someone smarter than me is probably gonna own me after this comment, and I know this is a comic so it can't include a ton of nuance, but if I willingly exchange/gift my property to someone else, they didn't gain it through violence (state or otherwise). Sure, the threat of violence might prevent someone else from breaking the social contract, but it isn't like the buyer did something unethical to acquire the property.

[-] certified_expert@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

The comic, and the deeper philosophical meaning talks about a lower bound, not an upper bound (pick your own point of reference).

What is necessary to force a system against somebody else's will. A gift or exchange implies agreement and cooperation.

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

A person only has the rights they can hold on to.
— Kumo Crew

I feel like this quote from Elite: Dangerous sums up well, the lower bound.

In the comic, the other animals that freely decided to abide by the non-aggression principle lacked a way to ensure compliance by those, outside of the contract.

Not amassing power is a good way to prevent internal threats, but in case of external threats, which will amass power, this makes it too weak.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Unethical is a matter of prospective and degrees.

This pig is obviously a capitalist libertarian private property owner stand-in. If you exploit other people's labor by paying them a wage lower than the value of their labor, you are effectively stealing from them. Profits are theft via extortion.

You may say "they both agree to this, that's what makes it ethical". I disagree. If you are held at gunpoint, you will do what the person says, it doesn't mean it was willing. This is called being "under duress". If not working for a property owner means that you face homelessness, starvation, and police violence; your life is similarly threatened.

[-] cadekat@pawb.social 0 points 1 week ago

For sure. I'm only taking issue with the last panel's broad assertion that any gain of property is the result of violence. The landlord in this comic is an asshat.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 1 points 1 week ago

When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, [...] knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual; disguised, malicious murder, murder against which none can defend himself, which does not seem what it is, because no man sees the murderer, because the death of the victim seems a natural one, since the offence is more one of omission than of commission. But murder it remains.

[-] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

the owner abused the poor people, because he has a capital and they don't. and he will now charge them everything they have for the rest of their lives.

in wild west, people used guns to take everything from you, we live in a world where people with money convinced people without them to forgo weapons and accept money as a means to play the same game, and he used his money against them in the exact same manner as he would use the weapons. and so you can argue it is unethical in a same way as being robbed at gunpoint.

and this their power is only power because we tolerate it. this comics is about what happens when we finally stop.

this post was submitted on 01 Jan 2026
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