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[-] talkingpumpkin@lemmy.world 114 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Being able to use an LLM turns a layman into a coder no more than being able to use CAD turns them into an engineer.

It's a real pity that LLMs seem to have taken over as the sole topic of discussion in programming communities such as this one. It might be just me, but I find the whole topic barely interesting at all (ie. not more interesting than the discussions about stackoverflow coding we used to have).

[-] Womble@piefed.world 7 points 1 day ago

But at the same time everyone having a CAD machine (or 3D printer) allows a lot of people to solve engineering type problems they have without an engineer, which is the article's point.

[-] talkingpumpkin@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

IDK.

I just asked this to perplexity as an experiment:

write a macos terminal command that makes a backup copy if all files in documents/ my home adding the current date and time to each filename

Here's what it concocted:

cd ~ && find Documents -maxdepth 1 -type f -exec sh -c 'for f; do cp "$1" "Documents/$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S)_$(basename "$1")"; done' _ {} +

Now, I am no "prompt engineer" and surely there are better way to ask it stuff, but then again a layman is no prompt engineer either.

So the question is: would a layman be able to provide feedback and have perplexity fix its command?

My "layman-like" feedback (now that I re-read it, IDK how much a layman would have used "recurse"... I'm doing my best here):

I want the files copied to a "backups" folder in my home. It should also recurse into the "documents" folder.

mkdir -p ~/backups && cd ~/Documents && find . -type f -exec sh -c 'mkdir -p "~/backups/$(dirname "$1")" && cp "$1" "~/backups/$2/$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S)_$(basename "$1")"' _ {} "$(pwd)" \;

Feeback:

it says "No such file or directory" (because of $PWD passed as $2 - of course I didn't say this to the LLM)

mkdir -p ~/backups && rsync -a --include='*/' --include='*.*' --exclude='*' --no-links ~/Documents/ ~/backups/"$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S)"/

the date must be in the file name

mkdir -p ~/backups && find ~/Documents -type f -exec sh -c 'dir="~ /backups/$(dirname "${1#"$2"}")"; mkdir -p "$dir"; cp "$1" "$dir/$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S)_$(basename "$1")"' _ {} ~/Documents \;

I don't think I need to continue?

BTW: the LLM also instructed me to do a whole bunch of seemingly useless stuff, like giving Terminal.app full disk access via System Settings > Privacy & Security > Full Disk Access (which I assume is actually a thing in macos but can't verify as I run linux)

edit: I hope I didn't misinterpret the bash commands (I didn't actually run them) and spotted the right bugs in them - even if I didn't I guess my point still stands?

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago

I can use CAD. I am an engineer.
But noone will ask me to draft a building design on AutoCAD, same as noone will ask me to do so with pencil and paper.
Because I don't know buildings.

Sure, I might be asked to copy a pen-paper drawing onto CAD, but a Civil Engineer with CAD will do that better and a photo tracing software might do it as well as me.

So while a good enough LLM might code as well as a coder, Programming is more than just coding and making anything new, requires programming.

Being able to use an LLM turns a layman into a coder no more than being able to use CAD turns them into an engineer.

Perfect analogy.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 17 points 2 days ago

I am 100% with you. I am so sick of LLM shit clogging up the feed

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