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[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Slavery only has the function of making the rich richer." is blatantly false and honestly insulting to descendants of slaves, as it downplays the systemic permanent violent domination by a group of people onto another.

We don't need to have the argument that slavery is wrong and causes generational trauma. That is plainly obvious, and honestly annoying that you felt the need to state that. Your goal seems more about using the existence of slavery to fuel your rhetoric than to address modern issues.

Once again, slavery and policing occupy two different "functions" (do not take this word literally) in society. There are necessary things that need to happen that a police force does. Slavery was never necessary and serves to generate wealth through human suffering. Arguably there are functions of the modern police system that do that too, and those can be stripped without replacement.

You keep trying to force a comparison between two things that cannot be compared.

Honestly it's disgusting and insulting to even try to compare these two topics.

It does not take decades to free people. It does take decades of continual investment to lift people from poverty, provide mental healthcare (really all healthcare), building rehabilitation programs, etc. It all takes time and we should absolute do it. We seem to agree there so I don't understand the disagreement. It truly seems to be you wanting to exploit the suffering of the enslaved to make your analogy

Also to be clear I am aware of modern day slavery attached to the current system. It is abhorrent and arguably evolved from the slavery practiced in the 1800s. That can absolutely be abolished tomorrow. It is not necessary and serves nothing more to generate wealth. No need to taper anything down or put any work into a new system. Get rid of it. Although, I am still uncomfortable of comparing it to the horrors of chattel slavery in the Southern United States. Slavery has existed in some form since writing was invented, and likely longer, but I can only think of maybe one or two systems equally as cruel and brutal as the system of slavery practiced in the Americas.

Edit: I think I thought of the best way to sum up my feelings. Slavery is cruel and serves no purpose in a society. It is abhorrent and should be abolished immediately. Then you work to right the wrongs.

Policing is fundamentally flawed, but a systematic approach can over time be used to incrementally replace it. Coupled with systems to eliminate the root causes of crime.

I think that's why your comparison upset me so much. I view one as something with no redeeming qualities or usefulness and find it morally repugnant. The other has some utility to society, but I find the current system repugnant. Only one of these is appropriate to slowly replace in a controlled manner. The other must be ended immediately

[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 3 points 1 day ago

It truly seems to be you wanting to exploit the suffering of the enslaved to make your analogy

Yeah at this point I think we’re beyond argumentation if you're just gonna resort to moral vetoing. You’re reading it as moral comparison, and then getting upset about a claim I’m not making.

Historians and abolitionists make these structural comparisons to critique the recurring argumentation used to keep powers in place, that does not make it a moral equivalence. And in turn I’m arguing against the recurring argumentation that an institution is necessary by definition. This is what my first comment was about : when you change just a few words in stoy's comment, you highlight the systemic argumentation to keep the status quo.

Honestly it’s disgusting and insulting to even try to compare these two topics.

Yet many studied the origins of modern day police in relation to slave patrols in the US.

There are necessary things that need to happen that a police force does

I agree that conflict response, harm prevention, and crisis intervention are necessary. That does not logically mean that the police institution as it exists is necessary or inevitable. The necessity of function does not mean the necessity of the existence of whatever institution is appointed to that function. I'm just arguing against it, I feel like I keep repeating myself so let's leave it at that.

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

you're just gonna resort to moral vetoing

That's where you started

Yet many studied the origins of modern day police in relation to slave patrols in the US.

I don't even disagree, but that doesn't mean much once again. The invention cotton gin revived slavery in the South. Yet we still use the tool today without slavery.

Anyway that's why I favor completely gutting or even abolishing police. They are fundamentally flawed. I don't care if at the end of the day we have something still called the police, just as long as we change how its used for the benefit of society. Unlikely slavery though, I don't see an overnight dissolution of the police as necessary.

I agree that conflict response, harm prevention, and crisis intervention are necessary. That does not logically mean that the police institution as it exists is necessary or inevitable. The necessity of function does not mean the necessity of the existence of whatever institution is appointed to that function. I'm just arguing against it, I feel like I keep repeating myself so let's leave it at that.

This is what I've been saying.

Also if you decide to move forward you don't need to cite facts, or even cite them 3 deep. It's unnecessary. Everything you've cited is objectively true and I have never had a disagreement with. At least save yourself some time and only cite it 1 source deep.

[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah I mean we keep arguing on some semantics when we agree on the structural issues at play, we could have saved some time and headache haha

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