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Can you link the removed post? Because in his other posts I can't recognize said assumed Zionism.
The Zionism in question is with regards to what goat is defending (really, they're not defending it outright because it appears they were afraid of getting banned). I made a thread about it separately, https://lemmy.ml/post/41587368?scrollToComments=true
Essentially what goat is saying is that Palestinians are not allowed to resist Israel militarily, only by cultural means. This is particularly heinous because Palestinians have been using peaceful means to resist Israel since the Nakba. That's what BDS is, that's what the 2018 March of Return was. Palestinians have made tons of efforts to peacefully assert their human rights because they generally don't even have much to fight with, anyway. They don't have a state, they don't have modern military capabilities beyond the things they're capable of refurbishing after the IDF drops hardware in Gaza, and they're cut off from their allies by the Israeli blockade around Gaza. What a lot of Zionists don't understand is that the Palestinian Resistance is the last resort of Palestine because they are being exterminated.
A lot of goat's argument centered on claims of sexual violence committed against women during October 7th. This is a false narrative that Hamas ordered mass sexual assault, and Israel never presented serious evidence of this. This is the position of the scholars of this conflict, too, it's generally regarded that there's no evidence that any mass rape took place that day. That's why I was saying this was nothing more than Hasbara (i.e. official Israeli propaganda) and why they got banned so quickly.
This is what I found on the topic of r*pe on Oct. 7. https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/17/questions-and-answers-hamas-led-armed-groups-october-7-2023-assault-israel#_Toc171593941%3A%7E%3Atext=Gender-Based+Violence-%2CWhat+were+the+main+Human+Rights+Watch+findings+regarding+sexual+and+gender-based+violence+on+October+7%3F%2C-The+extent+to
Thank you for a source.
Read further. Other investigators found at least one survivor of sexual assault and at least three witnesses to gang r*pe.
I am not saying you or goat are right. Sexual assault did happen, but it is uncertain if it was en masse due to the lack of testimony and whether anyone among the dead are victims of SA.
Those who interviewed the witnesses:
There wasn't necessarily 3 separate occasions of gang rpe, there were at least 3 locations where either rpe or gang r*pe occured. Later on they state that it was unclear that any of this sexual violence was planned at all,
My honest assessment here is that it's unclear how much Hamas is culpable for this. I'd encourage you to check out Norm Finkelstein's analysis of this report and others from his interview with Robinson Erhardt. I can fully understand if you want to err on the side of caution and say that this is condemnable in the absence of some evidence that it was only the actions of individual Hamas fighters disobeying orders.
I'm always fascinated by tankies and anyone doubting women who said they were raped. What evidence will convince you if witness and victim testimony, video footage of women being stripped, autopsies, confessions from captured terrorists, and the UN stating that there was rape, will not convince you?