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America is not a serious country
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/40573684
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I think Canada's relationship to 1812 is approximately that of American involvement in the French and Indian War.
Technically it's part of the history, as a British colony with the fighting done by British troops pulled from all over the empire.
Oh, so the French and Indian War was basically a massively important pre-Revolution war that later saw a lot of commanders and veterans from that war become commanders and soldiers and/or political figures in the Revolution...
And it massively shaped the overall martial culture of the colonies, the massive cost of it laid the ground work for justifying many of the specific taxes and policies that were later explictly rebelled against during the Revolution...
... it established and cemented territorial claims and boundaries, such that more complex and stable local and regional economies could either form or further solidify...
And it saw the beginnings of a collective identity that was seen as distinct and seperate from that of the overseas imperial homeland.
So you're saying it was a massively important war that helped lay the groundwork for forming a nascent, collective, national identity.
... right?
You're very much overstating the importance of a two year war fought fifty years before Canada was even formed but otherwise sure, that was already implied.
And it still doesn't change the fact that America didn't lose the War of 1812 and you'd have to be profoundly ignorant to claim it did.
Now, if you want to point out that just like in the Revolution America only survived because the Empire was busy fighting the French, that's an interesting point to bring up.
Fun Fact: the European population of Canada in 1812 was ~250k. It would grow by ~90k, an absolute absurd population boom from American loyalists immigrating during and after the war...
When they realized the British Empire wouldn't be retaking the colonies after all.
(The population of America in 1812 was 7.2 million, so it turns out the most important facet of 1812 for Canada wasn't the "martial tradition" of doing what the British said but getting 1.25% of Americans to immigrate there)
Ok then, so you can perhaps see how, albeit the War of 1812 and the French and Indian War werent the same war and didnt change their respective societies in precisely the same ways...
The war of 1812 would ineed be a rather important milestone in Pre-Canadian history, from a Canadian point of view?
Who said it wasn't?
Well you never explicitly said that, but given the tenor of your earlier replies... you didn't really seem to place much focus on it, instead saying it would have been a footnote in British history.