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[-] ptu@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 days ago

Nationalism is the ideology that a certain people should have a state for themselfes.

Patriotism is the love for one’s state, but that state may have one or more people in it.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Which is why it doesn’t make sense to me, since I hate states in general and the United States specifically.

[-] ptu@sopuli.xyz 10 points 4 days ago

Right I see. In case you happen to be interested, Hannah Arendt suggested a system of federated councils which I find interesting. I’m not an expert on it, but there are some essays about it like this.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 days ago

Fundamentally there are two kinds of nationalism: civic and romantic. Civic nationalism is about people adhering to a society's set of laws and values. Romantic nationalism, also known as blood and soil nationalism, incorporates those concepts of birthright and bloodlines as important to one's status in a nation.

The United States was a major pioneer and proponent of the civic kind, defying the traditional romantic nationalism that grew out of Europe. Despite our historical misgivings it's an important difference.

[-] uienia@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Pure fantasy.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I don’t even like society’s laws and values, though.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

I'm sure there's some basal level of them that make sense or seem natural. I do find it preferable to going off ethnicity or religion. Or the monarchist Divine Rights stuff with noble bloodlines and such.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

There are two laws.

Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.

Everything else is navel gazing.

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