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This is referring to all the people who say I own this gun to protect against a tyrannical government. While I agree fighting a tyrannical government is noble Most of those people aren't serious about it and are just LARPing. If you are serious about fighting for your freedom then you'd know that fighting alone will get you nowhere. No revolution or civil war has ever been won by scattered armed individuals with no organization, you need to join a group to be effective.

But all the militias are full of right wing psychos

Yeah, but you won't be able to change their mind from the outside. Join one and try to educate them on true freedom from the billionaire capitalist class. Worst case scenario even if they don't respond you'll still be training and learning how to work in a group, and you can be a spy and learn their tactics and how to defeat them in the case of a civil war.

I'll just buy the gun now and join a group once shit starts going down

That's the wrong order, get organized and then buy weapons. Left wing organizations will be banned and forced underground long before guns are. There's a very high probability trump will ban armed left wing groups in the next couple years, him restricting gun purchases is far less likely. It's best to get in an organization and build trust before it goes underground because after they are banned they are rightfully more picky on who they let in for fear of informants.

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[-] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago

if things go sideways in my home state

I'm really curious, what else do you think has to happen there before you consider it sideways ?

[-] cobysev@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I'm specifically referring to a civil war breaking out. We're trying to stay peaceful as long as possible here. As long as protestors aren't attacking ICE, Trump has no (legitimate) excuse to send in active duty troops, which he had been threatening to do.

The MN National Guard has been mobilized by our governor and are prepared to deal with active duty military if Trump sends them anyway. That's the whole point of the National Guard; it's a state's protection against an overreaching federal government.

If all that fails, then citizens themselves need to protect one another. And that is when things have truly gone sideways.

Things are messed up right now, but there's still a chance to recover from this. Once actual war breaks out against our civilian population, that's when we're truly fucked.

[-] LostGhost@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

Serious question here not trying to be a troll/dick. It feels like a one sided war already. ICE has killed or wounded multiple people now and nothing has been done about it. In fact those in power have said nothing will be done about it. The police force seems to be on the side of ICE (please correct me if I'm wrong I'm not in MN) At what point do we draw a line and say enough is enough, take one of ours we take one of yours. I'm asking because I don't know, it just feels like we are all yelling and marching and not much is changing.

[-] cobysev@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As a former military member, I can attest that there are escalation measures in every conflict. Every act might trigger a response from the opposition. So it's very important to weigh every action carefully before performing it.

In this particular situation, escalation appears to be the end goal of Trump. He wants people to rise up, because it gives him an excuse to declare Martial Law and shut down blue states, as well as stopping elections from continuing until the "escalation" is under control.

Think of Star Wars, Episode III. Palpatine was a senator, causing mayhem and chaos in the background to cause civil unrest among the Republic. Once he was outed as a Sith Lord, he survived the assassination attempt on his life and used the attack and disfigurement of his face to convince the government to grant him temporary emergency control of the government until the "threat of the Jedi Order" was under control. Then he conveniently forgot to return his emergency powers, declared himself emperor, and formed the Galactic Empire.

This is kind of what Trump is doing, in a sense. Martial Law is emergency military control over a nation granted to an individual. Elections aren't held during Martial Law. If Trump can enact Martial Law and prevent us from holding the November elections, he can further solidify his power over the US. He's already started up the "we shouldn't have elections" rhetoric again.

ICE is already violating the law, breaking our Fourth Amendment rights, and kidnapping people in the streets. The federal government has given them a free pass to do it. But they're just waiting for us to have enough and act in anger or violence in return so Trump can send in active duty military members to take over control of the state.

We can't let it get that far, so we're doing everything in our power to protest peacefully and hold the line. Eventually, he'll realize he won't get his way and he'll move on. Or he'll push ahead anyway and we'll have more of an excuse to end his dictatorial reign.

Right now, we're just gathering evidence. When this is all over, we can use the legal system to punish all involved in the human rights violations. But as long as Trump is in power, we just have to hold the line and document everything. It seems like nothing is happening right now, but we're letting Trump "Fuck Around," so later he can "Find Out."

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