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[-] tabular@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

To use Windows without a Microsoft account requires tech literacy these days, I thought. I would not be suprised if users didn't choose to sync with a MS account but it's doing it anyway, if that's what MS want.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

If you sign in with a Microsoft account at all I don't believe there's the capability to opt out.

I only use local accounts. I have never had a Microsoft account. I never will.

[-] suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

You can't do that anymore, at least not with a normal Windows installation. All of the tricks of forcing it offline, clicking cancel 10 times and jumping up and down don't work anymore, they've disabled them all, the only way to install Windows 11 now (using the normal Microsoft installer) is by linking it to a Microsoft account.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Using Rufus still works. I did it as recently as a couple of days ago.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 week ago

Sorry, but the argument above was for a regular user, who doesn't know what Rufus is, who doesn't know the concept of OS, who simply ~~knows~~ thinks the files are saved "on the computer" (while they somehow ended up on OneDrive).

[-] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

... and who doesn't know that you can even install an OS to begin with!

This is not true. There are several tools to create a bootable USB that uses a local account.

They just made it hard for Joe Schmoe to avoid it.

[-] tehmics@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Joe Schmoe buys new laptop with Windows preinstalled.

Joe Schmoe boots it for the first time.

Greeted by first-log-on.

Goes through steps and is immediately captured.

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Just update a W10 local install. It won't even try to ask you to add a microsoft account.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

I'm not even sure if you can install without an MS account if you don't use Rufus anymore. Rufus requires literacy for sure, and even if you can still do it without it is designed to make it impossible to know you can from within the installer itself.

[-] conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 1 points 1 week ago

Main issue with Rufus is secure boot unfortunately, otherwise Rufus is easy enough that I gave a couple “click here, then here, then here and here are some screenshots” to a friend they were able to navigate it just fine. At this point I swear Rufus is easier than using the official installer provided Secure Boot is off.

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