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[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago

If I were in his shoes, I'd be really fucking reluctant to give any order that would result in a bloodbath. I mean, we can all guess by now that it will end up that way, but I don't think we should be so quick to condemn a man that doesn't lightly order violence.

Pressure him into taking action, because that pressure may ease the weight of responsibility, but understand that it's a heavy weight to bear. Pretty sure he didn't go into that job expecting to face a civil war.

[-] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What's with this apologism for feckless liberals? He doesn't have to order the National Guard to open fire on ICE, but he could start with, you know, not sending state police to brutalize protestors at the site of the most recent public execution.

I don't give a fuck if he feels a heavy weight, it's nothing compared to the families of the dead. Dead because of an institution his party funded just as often as the Republicans did. It's time for him to rise to the occasion or (infinitely more likely) time for us to recognize there's no spine in his body and it depends entirely on us - which means he's against us.

[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago

What's with this apologism for feckless liberals?

It wasn't intended to absolve him from the responsibility of having to do something, if that's how it came across. In the context of people calling on him to mobilise the NG and use them to drive out ICE, I wanted to point out that it would be akin to starting open civil war, and that any responsible commander would and should grapple with that decision. It's not about excusing so much as understanding.

sending state police to brutalize protestors at the site of the most recent public execution.

I didn't know that at the time I made the comment. Like I said, I was mostly seeing people call for military action left and right.

I don't give a fuck if he feels a heavy weight, it's nothing compared to the families of the dead.

And if he orders the NG to deploy against ICE, there will be even more dead and more grieving families as a result of his orders. I think you're a little too quick to dismiss the weight of that decision. Yes, people will die if he does nothing as well, which is why he has to do something. I'm not excusing his inaction.

In an escalating time of violence and rage, I'm trying to remind people of their humanity: Pressure him to do his job, by all means, but do so in full awareness what you're asking of him.

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