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[-] Rhoeri@piefed.social -4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Tell me you don’t understand how competition breeds innovation without telling me.

Also, explain to me how nearly every country that exists, uses a capitalist socioeconomic system if it is such a failure.

And yes, capitalism is how we got not only the iPhone, but mobile phones in their entirety- along with the services that allow them to work- aerospace engineering, advances in pharmaceutical technology, and pretty much everything you see around you. Is it perfect? Fuck no- no unchecked system is ever going to be, but unless you have a working model to present that illustrates how you can get the largest superpower on the planet to convert its entire government and economic footprint- maybe can the smug bullshit.

Though do be sure to go ahead and keep using all the things capitalism allowed to happen as a result of a free market while pretending to stand firmly against it. I’m sure all the people in whatever circles you post in that are dumb enough to not see the hypocrisy will think you’re soooo kewl!

Everyone else will see it for what it is.

[-] save_the_humans@leminal.space 6 points 2 days ago

Turns out its actually cooperation and not competition that breeds innovation. Capitalist firms artificially simulate this internally. I think it was Lowes that tried to run its departments through competition by pitting them against each other and the business nearly went under. Not to mention a lot of innovation ultimately comes from socialist funding of research in universitiese (eg iPhones, mobile phones and their networking, aerospace engineering, advances in pharmaceuticals, etc).

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

Sears did that too, so did AT&T, its really common for a CEO to drink the kool-aid and say "lets try capitalism inside the company!" Followed by disaster.

[-] Rhoeri@piefed.social -1 points 2 days ago

Whatever makes you feel better. There is no point in debating this with people that will force their opinion to be the correct one.

[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

I hope for you that one day you grow up.

[-] msage@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago

Innovation has always stemmed from some form of socialist institution - state funded research nowadays.

Free marked only enabled ethically-acceptable exploitation of the global south under the disguise of 'rapid progress', when in fact nothing society-breaking hasn't been invented since the internet.

And if you know the history of the internet and technologies involved, you know how much capitalism has done for it - absolutely nothing.

[-] kek@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Of course it encourages innovation, but you seem to think that innovation is exclusive to capitalism.

nearly every country that exists, uses a capitalist socioeconomic system

One of the big reasons is the US “spreading democracy”, among others

no unchecked system is ever going to be

This is the point. It’s been allowed to go so out of control that people want radical change now

capitalism allowed to happen as a result of a free market

Capitalism != market economy

[-] Rhoeri@piefed.social -2 points 2 days ago

Cool, so we agree it’s not that capitalism is the problem- it’s that it’s been unchecked that’s the problem.

Makes me wonder what unchecked socialism would look like. Maybe we should ask Bulgaria.

[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Unchecked capitalism? How do you check it? Please explain, oh great intelligence. (Before you say regulation I need you to think).

[-] Rhoeri@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

How do you check ANY rampant system?

You think socialism is impervious to corruption? If so, Bulgaria would like a word with you.

[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Did workers control the means of production in Bulgaria at the time you are talking about or was it state capitalism disguised as socialism? Maybe we should talk about that.

[-] Rhoeri@piefed.social 1 points 13 hours ago

LMAO! Read a book.

[-] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 4 points 2 days ago

Can you name me the last drug that Pharma companies came out with that wasn't developed in an evil socialist government funded university, and that wasn't just a change in a single molocule in order to extend a patent so the CEO can buy another yacht?

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