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[-] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 days ago

I'm gonna quote what I already said elsewere on this issue:

The appeal of humanoid robots isn’t just automating production (because if it was just that specialized robots would be far better than any generalist humanoid), instead I think the appeal of humanoid robots is as a tool to manage the balance between employment and production output.

As a socialist society you want to become able to guarantee jobs and access to the products of labor to your citizens. Which means you have to balance level of automation with necessary output: too many robots and there’s not enough work for everyone, too few and there might be shortages of certain things due to underproduction. This means that ideally you want to be able to retire a few machines when there are peoples in need of a job and bring more machines in when workers retire or stop working for whatever other reasons.

But you can’t make the switch quickly enough with specialized robots because these require conditions so vastly different from human workers that you need to refit the entire factory floor or at least part of it both to bring robots in or to get them out, which can take months to years. With humanoid robots though, they can work with the exact same factory floors the human workers use, meaning switching between robots and humans is as easy as ordering the robots to walk in or out of the factory. That’s the best argument for humanoid robots in my opinion, and because of that I think it makes a lot of sense for a socialist country to develop the technology.

I'd like to add on top of that: the framing of a binary choice between either specialized robots or generalist humanoid robots is wrong. Humanoids will without a doubt work alongside specialized robots, just like human workers currently do.

[-] red_giant@hexbear.net 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You are making the strongest argument for generalization, I agree with the logic of your argument. There is benefit in being able to rapidly reconfigure production.

Like, the power of a 3D printer or CNC machine to customize its output to be essentially whatever the fuck you want every single time is important.

But I still disagree with humanoid robots with general purpose AI being the solution to that.

For example, I saw one Chinese robot which was a painting robot, and you could wear a sleeve and paint a thing and the robot would replicate those motions precisely. So there you have a general purpose painting-bot that can be reprogrammed for any painting-purpose within minutes.

I agree that’s powerful, and I can see how the same would be true for, like, the screw-driver-bot or the welding-bot. And each of these generalized use cases could benefit from AI (“does it need another coat of paint? Did I miss a spot?”).

So a factory composed of general purpose robots makes a lot of sense and wouldn’t even be more expensive than a factory of custom-made purpose-specific robots.

But the “does absolutely anything bot, with general purpose AI that can reason about how to solve the problem” this I absolutely don’t buy into.

In part, because I genuinely don’t see AGI ever being that good. But that’s a criticism of AI rather than these robots.

So ok assume AGI is or becomes that good, I still don’t see the “does everything” robot being useful compared to a team composed of painter-bot, welder-bot, sorter-bot, etc.

I also don’t see the real utility in the humanoid form.

The argument is that since they’re humanoid they can use any tool designed for humans.

But surely redesigning those tools for the robot itself has already been proven more effective given decades of factory automation.

And sure bipedal motion is more versatile than wheels, but a factory floor is an artificial space so you can make the factory floor compatible with wheels and have a robot with less moving parts, less moving parts being almost axiomatically the better choice.

Hell, we even redesigned our cities and planet to be suited to cars and trains. So the idea that bipedal motion is more versatile, while absolutely true, is still not very strong to me.

I agree that there are surely some use-cases for bipedal or quadruped robots. I can think of some for sure but I have to really think to discover a purpose where it’s not simply easier and more reliable to redesign the space for wheels instead.

Each capability an AI humanoid robot has seems suitable for edge-cases basically. That’s why I don’t see it. Sure, probably there will be enough of those edge-cases to make them a profitable industry but its niche.

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