Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

The idealist, liberal myth of the “marketplace of ideas,” in the face of domestic and Israeli fascism.

Socialists—and in particular antifascists & Marxists—understand the paradox of tolerance.

Antifa: the Anti-fascist Handbook

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

You can't change the mind of someone you don't have access to.

[-] humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Does no one here understand the younger generations access to ideas? I think the idea that every one claims of creating echo chambers is not an effective one. The law of diminishing returns (as a business term) states that all else held equal an increase in production( or the free debate or posting of opinions) will not produce more profit after a certain point ( or the changing of others opinions) . When it comes to people posting and espousing for state sponsored genocide I think we have hit the top of that curve. If you stop the flow of that information you are not creating echo chambers but more effectively stopping the spread of bullshit and hate. They have Xhitter. Fucking ban this genocidal shit every chance you get, either foundationally or personally. I dont get a whiff of this on shitjust works because I dont engage with it.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Does no one here understand the younger generations access to ideas?

Feels an awful lot like "won't somebody think of the children?"

All that means is you've closed your eyes to the world around you. It doesn't mean that the world has changed. Avoidance doesn't help. It actually makes things worse because you cede the moral and intellectual territory.

Alternatively, you can actually take the fight to people instead of hiding from problems. And as far as what the younger generation sees, if you aren't providing arguments against fascism, against zionism, who is going to win that mind?

[-] humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Its not won't somebody think of the children... Its get this shit out of their face. Block it. Thats the beauty of the fediverse.

The initial point was that younger generations feed off engagements. You block the conversation and it doesn't exist. Its not a matter of closing your eyes to the world. Its closing the gates to the exact statement I made. Does no one understand how the younger generation get the information? Engagement. Was the answer. Failure to allow a platform will stop the spread of the misinformation in the first place.

'Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference'.

E: these people and often misinformation machines are not trying to have a discourse. They are planting propaganda. ie. The qoute above. Stop the shit in your home. End the spread by denying a platform.

E2: I mean. I get what your saying on an institutional level, but fuck that this is a social media instance argument so. My first edit stands.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

People love to criticize the marketplace of ideas and sure it's imperfect... but what's he alternative? Covering your ears and going lalalalala is even less effective than persuasion.