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submitted 3 weeks ago by Beep@lemmus.org to c/technology@lemmy.world

A widespread concern is what would happen to Dutch weapon systems if the Americans were to withdraw completely as an ally. For example, Dutch F-35 aircraft are dependent on American software updates. Yet, Tuinman isn't particularly worried about this.

"The F-35 is truly a shared product. The British make the Rolls-Royce engines, and the Americans simply need them too." And even if this mutual dependency doesn't result in software updates, the F-35, in its current state, is still a better aircraft than other types of fighters.

If you still want to upgrade despite everything, I'm going to say something I should never say, but I will anyway: you can jailbreak an F-35 just like an iPhone. (Crack it with your own software, ed.)

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[-] Emi@ani.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

And here I thought the military would want their stuff to work without software updates and be open source.

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The military wants the best equipment, and currently in terms of specs that is the F-35.

That comes with a dependence on the United States, which at the time of purchasing these jets was not considered to be a particular concern because America is a good ally and a part of NATO.

Following Trump's re-election and antics over Greenland, that calculation is now different. It might not be worth it to buy new F-35s at this point (though Germany seems to be considering it still), but the Dutch army has pre-existing F-35s which we should be able to use even if America doesn't want us to for whatever reason.

At this point for the purchase of new jets we really should be looking at the new Eurofighter though, imo

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

With F-35's costs, is it really the best equipment? I suspect the real reason is that replacing it is a gigantic undertaking that might be far more expensive short-term.

The components dependency part in fighter jets, though, is something they really should be able to solve. Those are very complex systems, but designed with integration and customization in mind. That's one of the reasons they are so expensive. Slowly replacing everything in them with components from more reliable producers is normal for militaries. Well, for militaries with actual RnD and production, of course Uzbekistan or Colombia can't do that, but Netherlands can.

[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 weeks ago

With F-35's costs, is it really the best equipment?

Name another stealth jet that you can buy right now in significant numbers.

[-] MITM0@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

You call F35 the best ? The thing cannot fly well on a rainy day & it has shit landing-gear.

Get Sukhois, Eurofighter, Migs or Gripen (Rafales are good too)

[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I can forget about stealth capabilities for a sec, but Migs, really? Enjoy your 6 mig29++++ ever built and wooden mockups of fifth gen planes.

edit: also why would they want rafales if they don't have carriers and they'd never carry nukes?

[-] qaeta@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

For a modern military, in a general sense, yes, the F35 is the best currently. Mostly due to it's software and sensor suite which have a much larger impact on mission performance. It's built to an assumption of US support, which means good runways and resilient supply lines. Russian fighters are out for the same reason US fighters should be out right now (can't trust the government).

Canada is looking for new fighters, where I think the Gripen is actually better than the F35 for our specific use case (almost entirely defensive, rough runways in arctic conditions that the F35 struggles with, need for lower maintenance requirements due to manpower and budget issues). The Swedes deal with the same conditions we need a fighter for, plus they offered a full tech transfer to revitalize our aerospace industry and help achieve autonomy for operation of the Gripen.

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