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Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up' (www.reuters.com)

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[-] thecodemonk@programming.dev 87 points 1 year ago

The comment threads here are weird. Who, in their right mind, would ever support a country like Russia? It's mind blowing.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

It's not supporting Russia to be critical of one-sided narratives or to call for peace for the sake of minimizing loss of life.

[-] LoopingRiver@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

So you’d want peace by Ukraine giving up its territory?

How about peace talks that involve Russia giving back all Ukrainian lands (including Crimea) and pulling all troops out.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Why stop there, how about demanding Russia provide every Ukrainian with a talking unicorn buddy?

I live in reality and when I say I want peace it means I believe in negotiating based on realistic expectations.

[-] MoreAmphibians@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Shouldn't the people of Crimea get to decide whether they want to live under Kyiv's rule?

[-] LoopingRiver@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

You mean the Russians that Russia settled there? Curious what you think about the Uighurs getting to break away a country from China.

[-] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Crimea was annexed with zero shots fired. Maybe Ukraine should respect the voices of the people living in eastern ukraine.

[-] MoreAmphibians@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Most of the people I'm talking about were either born there or have lived there for longer than Ukraine has existed as a state. Those people should be the ones in charge of the fate of Crimea, regardless of their ethnicity. I don't believe in blood and soil nationalism where only certain ethnicities get to be full citizens.

By "the Uighers" I assume you're talking about Xinjiang? The most serious separatist movement there is the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, the US recognized these guys as a terrorist group in 2002. The US continued to recognize them as a terrorist group until 2020, when the US decided that it would be more politically convenient for them to not be terrorists anymore. The overall populace supports the central government. It's 90+% approval for China overall, I can't find a breakdown by region. If the people of Xinjiang were to lose faith in the central government and decided to go their own way then I would support them. The important part is that is has to be the people, not terror groups, not US-backed NGOs, and not US-backed protest movements, that support the separatism movement.