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[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

So, is our military going to need to step up to ensure a fair election next year, and also prevent Trump from taking office again? That is, assuming he, A) lives that long, and B) somehow pulls this off. Isn't that why they are required to swear an oath to the Constitution, and not the President? Does that actually hold any water?

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

Look, if the U.S. Military were going to uphold the Constitution he already wouldn’t be President anymore.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

Eh. I mean he is clearly shitting all over norms, blatantly corrupt, most likely treasonous, and robbing the fucking treasury blind, but all of that stuff is Congress's responsibility to hold him accountable and draw lines and they have failed.

I don't know if you can point to any part of the constitution that he has clearly violated. But the two term limit is codified. The supreme clutter doesn't need to weigh in, the stupidest motherfucker in the country can do the math to see it's unconstitutional (they might not care, but they can see it).

If folks want to toss the constitution, great, they just tossed the basis of authority for the President, Congress, and the Supreme Court. Guess we get to writing a new one.

I hesitate to declare this is the line he won't be allowed to cross, because he's sailed over every other one. But I really think the entire system of government is shot if he does this. We would certainly be a failed state at that point, where right now we are kinda Schrödinger's Failed State. We may already be, but we'll have to measure it post Trump.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

I mean he's clearly broken the first amendment more than a few times by ordering the government to pressure organizations over their right to free speech.

Also, constitutional problems with his deportation bullshit. Which he's been ordered not to do, and yet they're still doing it.

[-] oyo@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

You can't point to something he's clearly violated? What? The most obvious and clear example is the emoluments clause, but it's easy to add in the first and fourth amendments. (Preference given to Christianity, and search and seizure without probable cause, as examples.)

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 months ago

Let me clarify my point. Those are all abstract things that require Congress or the Supreme Court to step in and draw lines. We've had in god we trust as the national motto for decades. There is a gray area there that can be argued and low-engagement voters just see it as noise.

But everyone can count to three. Everyone knows you get two terms and no more. Everyone knows you have to win an election to be President. It is unequivocal. Inarguable. So I think it carries weight in a way that those other violations of the constitution have not.

I never meant to create ambiguity around his illegal actions, just draw attention to how this act would be distinct from the rest.

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago

the stupidest motherfucker in the country can do the math to see it's unconstitutional

It's not at all unconstitutional for Trump to enjoy a third term as president. All the Constitution says is that he can't be elected a third time. There's nothing that says he cannot run as VP and then succeed into POTUS once Vance steps down.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's not true. If a vice president assumes the office, that still counts as a term even though he's not elected. I also believe there is a stipulation that no one disqualified from holding the presidency can be VP, though idk what is spelled out and what is just interpretation.

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sounds like you’ve read Amendment 22:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

But you definitely haven’t read Amendment 12:

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

No, the bullshit technicality he’s trying to pull out of his ass is still unconstitutional.

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

You really think this is bulletproof?

Have Trump run for Speaker. Hell, have him appointed as secretary of agriculture and have the people above resign. Its really not that difficult when your constitution is held together with bubblegum and pinky promises.

There is nothing in the constitution that says he cant enjoy a third term.

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago

Well if we want to really go into constitutional interp, the military has no power to remove a sitting president.

But if elections do not occur a person doesn't continue to be the president, additionally a 3rd term is banned by the constitution.

If Trump were to "cancel" elections, a power he doesn't even have, the law is clear. He would still lose the presidency. It would then pass to the speaker of the house per the constitutional line of succession.

At that point the military would have a choice to make.

Of course these are big ifs, laws only matter if they are followed. And this scenario requires the law to be broken to even occur. Shits bad

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

The military literally takes an oath to uphold the Constitution.

Donald Trump is wiping his ass with the Constitution. There couldn’t be anything more Contritutional for the military to do.

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 months ago

I don't remember a single line in the Constitution stating the military has the power to remove a sitting president.

At least the scenario I described was constitutional.

That's the neat part about an oath to the Constitution, you can't break it to save it. That would be outside of that very oath.

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Actually, no.

The Constitution is meaningless without force behind the words.

As is being demonstrated EXTREMELY well right now.

[-] Ooops@feddit.org 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The military? Probably not...

But you might get a federal agency already cosplaying as a para-military group to overlook the election and make sure you're voting correctly. 👍

[-] arjuna@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

military is for external threats, you don't want them playing cop

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Until you do. When shit hits the fan it generally comes down to which side the military sides with.

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

As an outsider. The big danger appears to be how your country has also armed your police and now customs people as if they're military too. Things could start to get very messy very fast.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Every single person in the military swore an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Domestic enemies like Donald Trump pose a much greater threat to our country than any conventional combatant with a gun or missile - the military is already oath-bound to engage him the same way they do any other enemy.

The inaction from them so far doesn't paint a very promising picture regarding their willingness to actually do what's right to protect our country; but we also don't need the entire military to unite against that traitor: we just need a single one of them with the right training to apply through skills.

Servicemen and women: please actually do your job.

[-] arjuna@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

you obviously have no idea what "do your job" means here... military are trained to kill, do you really want them to "do their job" in US streets?

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

you obviously have no idea what "do your job" means here...

Don't conflate 'doing their job' with the misuse of force they're famous for. We need them to do their actual job, not just blindly follow orders into a series of war crimes.

military are trained to kill, do you really want them to "do their job" in US streets?

Yes, contingent on those streets being populated by enemies of the US like Donald Trump / members of his regime / ICE.

[-] arjuna@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

you seem to be conflating military with police. you want them wantonly murdering Americans in the street? stfu lunatic.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago
[-] arjuna@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

MAGA would love to see military in the streets murdering people, I'm the polar opposite of MAGA.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

At best, you're what's called "blue maga" as you're purity-testing your way right into supporting his regime.

I kinda doubt it though, since you're just ignoring what's being said to keep parroting the same strawman shit over and over: either your reading comprehension really is that bad, making you a useful idiot for the Trump regime; or you're deliberately posting in bad faith with the goal to advance the Trump regime in the first place, making you the kind of Nazi that does recognize the evil that's happening, and fucking loves it.

What's your goal here?

[-] arjuna@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

wtf is "blue maga". this binary shit of blood in the streets or you're MAGA is insane, not even worth discussing.

my goal? not blood in the streets at a minimum. what is your goal? murder anyone who doesn't have your approved thinking?

why does every discussion on the internet these days feel like talking to a bot or a Russian agent trying to sow chaos?

crawl back in your fucking hole and stop advocating for violence.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

wtf is “blue maga”.

Literally described it in my previous post.

this binary shit of blood in the streets or you’re MAGA is insane, not even worth discussing.

You'd be correct if that's what we were discussing. You're arguing against something that was never pitched in the first place - that's called strawman, and is a big part of why your posts reek of MAGA - they love pulling that shit.

my goal? not blood in the streets at a minimum.

Whose blood?

what is your goal?

I stated my goal in my first post here, which is to encourage military personnel to act on their oath instead of blindly following the orders of the evil dipshits their oath compels them to slay.

murder anyone who doesn’t have your approved thinking?

Strawman again. That particular flavor of strawman is also rampant in MAGA posting. Whether or not Nazis - particularly, those Nazis currently in power, and using that power to enact global scale atrocities - are people who are worth preserving isn't the kind of thing that boils down to a difference of opinion any more than a tsunami could be described as just a wave. Technically correct? Sure. Difference in scope? Not even a little bit comparable.

why does every discussion on the internet these days feel like talking to a bot or a Russian agent trying to sow chaos?

Do you feel that dropping that line makes you less suspicious? Cuz the whole blue MAGA act stands out like a sore thumb.

crawl back in your fucking hole and stop advocating for violence.

No. Advocating for the preservation of Nazis is advocating for violence. Calling on people who swore an oath to fight those Nazis to actually do so is justified and overdue. There are no options on the table that don't involve violence; nor is you coming to the defense of the aggressors.

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