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I got down voted last time for pointing out that "between the river and the sea" was the motto of the town of mosman park
It's also a John Farnham song
One step ahead of you...
Oh fuck! I didn't see this before I commented the lyrics 🤣🤣 that's so classic.
Close. There are two potentially relevant Farnam songs that may have been conflated in this discourse. One is That’s Freedom, which includes the lines "From the mountain to the valley / From the ocean to the alley / From the highway to the river". And the other is Two Strong Hearts, which repeatedly uses the line "Reaching out forever like a river to the sea". Neither quite uses "from the river to the sea", but together they give the same sort of impression.
I didn't expect John Farnham scholarship as part of this topic, but I'm into it.
You're the voice we needed on this.
Thanks, I appreciate that. But I'm just some random white dude on the Internet. The voices we really need are more prominent figures (including politicians) who can greatly influence their followers, brave anti-zionist Jewish people who can provide a clear counterexample to Israel's false conflation, and the voices of the people directly affected by Israel's genocidal activities.
You're the voice we needed on this.
Oh sorry. I actually had to Google that just now to get it.
Farnsy's not really my sort of music.
It was a subtle one by cdzero. 😂
It’s almost like context matters. Crazy, right?
I won’t agree with anyone getting arrested for saying words btw. Just pointing out the error in your argument. Also that motto isnt the same as the anti-Israel slogan anyway.
Yes, if you change the words and the context, the meaning changes.
"From the river to the sea" is the rallying cry of various groups who want to destroy Israel and remove the people who were born and live there, even though the slogan doesn't literally say it.
So maybe use a different slogan if you want something different?
It's not surprising that antisemites would also protest Israel, but that doesn't mean we should stop protesting Israel. There's nothing more to it. We should not fall for our opponent's tricks trying to paint us as antisemites
I'm not saying stop protesting Israel. I'm saying don't use the slogan that's used by Antisemites, if you don't want to be confused with them.
What's wrong with shouting "Free Palestine, End The Occupation" instead?
Because our opponents will always be nibbling at what we can and cannot say and we should resist and reject their bad-faith criticism. Our opponents are trying to paint us as antisemites. Your honest attempt at distancing ourselves from antisemitic groups has exactly the opposite effect: It legitimizes their criticism where it was never in good faith to begin with
I'm honestly just confused why people who aren't antisemites would insist on using the first part, alone.
And omit the second part "Palestine must be free", thereby creating the ambiguity of what they mean in the first place.
Why concede that ground, though? It's not about the second part. They will always find something. Stop playing their game, you can't ever win. It's in bad faith
There must be an Innuendo Studios video about this one, right?
Do you believe the same for the “anti-immigration” protests too, or were you calling everyone attending them racist and/or Nazis?
Isn’t the left saying that if you let one Nazi into a bar you now have a Nazi bar? Same applies here. There are many anti-Semites in these protests chanting this saying, therefore everyone there is an anti-Semite.
This isn’t me making the rules, it’s just applying the rules the left set and try to force on everyone.