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The maybe rheu shouldn't advance and be failed? Like to me if you're bad at a subject, you should be required to take it until you pass it, not push along to the next harder version of it. Kids don't get left back or failed now. That is the problem. If you're not ready fine, but you can't take algebra until you pass pre-algebra.
I'm speaking as someone who didn't learn to read until 3 grade and still graduated on time and went to a good college. Failing classes is fine as long as you can also catch up if you rapidly learn the material as well.
Most people can fake their way enough to pass the test without having a true understanding of the concepts behind it.
Yeah, but math isn't really relevant for most people past the elementary school level.
It'd be pretty messed up to fail them for something they aren't going to use in the real world. Lots of people who justifiably 'don't care about math' would be held back for no good reason, except maybe to stroke the ego of people who do.
I hate these takes. Math isn't about relevance of specific concepts and whether you'll use them in day to day life. It's about learning to think critically and problem solve in general. We need more of society to be better at that.
Being good at solving lots of complex math you never use in every day life CAN be beneficial in nearly all situations which require critical thinking, problem solving, logic, following instructions, etc.
There's a weird amount of accepted anti intellectualism that specifically applied to math, and I've never understood it.
Most people have a hard time grasping concepts as simple as compounding interests, which is an incredibly important concept if you want to either save money or not go into ridiculous amounts of credit card debt. You use algebra every single day, doing thing as simple as shopping. People just don't realize it.
You have a good point, but it's not something most people would be interested and for good reason.
They need pragmatic ways to care about the problem at hand. If you can't offer them that, you're just focusing on theory which may or may not be relevant. Lo' and behold, people care more about what's actually relevant than what may be relevant.
To be fair, that's not specific to mathematics at all.
We're talking about children here. People who would let their teeth rot away if no one constantly fussed at them about brushing. People who don't understand why they shouldn't do a great many things that will actually kill them.
We don't actually care about what children want to learn. This article is talking about math that is taught before puberty. That's the math that people are struggling with. That's everyday math. We're not talking about calculus here.
You're saying that there's no pragmatic way to teach things, but really that's not the problem of children and you know it. Kids get word problems and whatnot to tell them how math can be relevant, but just like English and history and basically all of school, they don't want to do it. Math is weird because it actually builds on itself and you need to understand every part. It's not something where if you forgot or never learned you can bullshit your way through.
I'm speaking as someone who went to a top engineering college and my English 101 class had to check for literacy. I was the literal only student out of like 20 who got to skip the exam. Several of my peers were functionally illiterate from reading their essays and whatnot.
It's not just math. It's everything and it's the failure of the system that we do not fail children when they don't achieve. If they don't like it they can drop out at 16 get a GED or be known as the uneducated people they are.
I guarantee you that if we went back to failing kids they'd learn more. My sister failed a whole grade and the embarrassment from it and the pressure from my parents was a fantastic motivator.