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Inside the Systemd Age Verification Debate: Developer Responds to Criticism (itsfoss.com)
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Dylan M. Taylor is not a household name in the Linux world. At least, he wasn’t until recently.

The software engineer and longtime open source contributor has quietly built a respectable track record over the years: writing Python code for the Arch Linux installer, maintaining packages for NixOS, and contributing CI/CD pipelines to various FOSS projects.

But a recent change he made to systemd has pushed him into the spotlight, along with a wave of intense debate.

At the center of the controversy is a seemingly simple addition Dylan made: an optional birthDate field in systemd’s user database.

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[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If we are going to get stuck in semantics, then he also did not just propose it. Propose would be opening an issue, describing how he would plan to do it and letting people discuss. This is how proposals work. Pushing a very controversial change and getting someone to accept it is not "proposing" when the change is something the community will obviously be so divided over.

And it does not have to implement a full on surveillance mechanism to take a step towards better compliance with possible future surveillance laws. The guy literally said in his comments that this was the intent:

https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall/pull/4290

What the hell are we even discussing here?

[-] fruitcantfly@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A pull request is very much a proposal: It is a proposal to make specific changes to the code-base. The developers are not forced to accept it in any form, and discussions can take place in the pull request, should the developers (or third parties) not agree with (the exact form of) the proposed changes. Which is exactly what happened in the systemd pull request, to the extent that the actual developers had to lock the thread.

In the case of systemd, the "someone", or rather the "someones", who accepted the pull request also included the lead developer on the project, namely Lennart Poettering. Who else do you propose should decide what pull requests and other proposals to accept?

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

You're approaching this with an everyday definition of "proposal", but in the industry that term is overloaded with more specific meanings.

If you asked 100 random devs, I have no doubt that the majority would call a PR to be something much more concrete than a proposal.

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