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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.
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- Both “200” and “160” are 2 minutes in microwave math
- When you’re a kid, you don’t realize you’re also watching your mom and dad grow up.
- More dreams have been destroyed by alarm clocks than anything else
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Yeah. Marx called it formal vs. real freedom. All the people are free to sleep under the bridges or at a five star penthouse. But some are forced to sleep under the bridge and only a few have means to exercise the freedom to enter the penthouse.
Marx misses the point of equality and conflates it with equity. In the ideal u have the freedom to work hard get well educated and make a shitonne of money then have the freedom that grants. Or u can choose to be lazy and not do any of that. It's your choice.
We live in a society with a lot of equality almost anyone smart enough can work hard enough to get themselves out of almost any situation.
It is entirely within your choice to live under a bridge. And if unit truly isn't then it was ur genetics that denied you the possibility to do better at which point we have to start talking about Charles Darwin.
[Citation Needed]
The problem with statements like this is tautological. If somebody can't get themselves out of a situation, one can just breezily dismiss it by saying that they didn't work hard enough.
It's why I think that we need to send Elon Musk to colonize Mars. By himself. He's a self-made job creator, so he can start up a successful business first, create those jobs, and then send for workers later, right? He wouldn't even need heavy, expensive life support equipment!
If you think that this is ridiculous, then you have to concede that there are actually some structural obstacles that can't be overcome by any amount of gumption. (And is it really just a lack of effort that explains why nobody born in Soweto in 1971 is a near-trillionaire?)
My experience and all the people I've spoken to throughout my life. Not 1 single person in a shut scenario didn't have options to negate or escape said scenario.
Or they weren't smart enough. Or they where not fit (in the Darwinian sense) enough to get out of it.
That's an excellent strawman. He went from a middle class situation (similar to thousands of people of people myself included) to the worlds richest man. He was not handed everything he has on a platter. He admittedly started with more than most but he still did infinitely better than anyone else born to similar level of advantage.
Their absolutely are structural obstacles just that these obstacles are infinitely less than previous. I mean by your logic we claim claim that the dictatorial control of Iran by the iatola is a structural obstacle and justify trumps actions in Iran hell we can justify the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Japan or go a step further and justify Hitlers actions as he confiscating property from an entire class of people and redistributed to those with less this still counts as removing structural obstacles regardless of the morality of such actions. Blind adherence to your argument takes us to a very dark place very quickly.
I want u to go to south Africa on Google street view and scroll back through time just looking at the streets and what u see. Then I want u to think about why the changes ur witnessing have happened and what changed into the period of time for which these changes happened (demographic changes might be a good indicator).
That only shows that SOME of the people who somehow relates to you, have options.
Have you ever wondered why they don't take those options? You might have missed something that prevents them.
Or maybe better: Have you wondered about the people further away from you? I can guarantee you, millions of people literally don't have any good options. If you haven't met any, that only means you have met any.
I've met many people of many different nations of many different levels of wealth and success. Every single one of them in a shit scenario got their by choices they made.
Why don't I take those options? Cos I can read the statistics on everyone before me, I paid attention in school, I realised that drugs, debt, gambling, criminal behaviour etc don't improve my life. I chose an education path and career that make it impossible for me to end up a brokie loser
Bro, I’ve traveled the world and met people who have traveled and you are not one of them. You have the opinion of a child that has never left 4Chan. I imagine you don’t even get out much in your local area.
Lots of people don't have access to any of the information sources you had, or the ability to take any of the options you did.
You had plenty of good options, and you chose from those. Some people only have bad options. They pick bad options, because that's all they have.
Almost every single person on this planet has internet access and that can teach u literally anything. And please explain when doing crack is the best of a set of bad options?
Honestly, I think it would be healthy for you to study just a little bit about what it's like to be poor and unprivileged. If nothing else, it should make you feel more lucky in life, and make you appreciate what you have more.
First, about a third of the world population doesn't have access to internet at all.
Second, what do you think a person can do with internet, when their intire life is about getting enough food to survive? And how would an education even help, if you have no chance of ever getting a job or starting a business bigger than selling water and snacks to people stuck in traffic near your bridge?
If you have never been so physically and mentally used, and so far down, and so out of options that the only way of of the missery is substance abuse, you are lucky.
If you are so far away from all of this, that you are unaware of its existence, you are very lucky.
My mommy and daddy took me to English speaking resorts so I’m well traveled -this guy
They paid for it but it wasn't resorts it was nice air bnbs
Elon Musk was not middle class. Unbelievably dumb statement. He grew up in one of the largest houses in Pretoria. Don't get jealous though as his father was a child rapist. Like most wealthy people, rotten to the core.
I did some googling and I would say comfortably upper middle class. I guess ur definition and mine are different.
Glad you did the right thing and looked it up instead of talking out your ass.
Is that u admitting I was right wrapped in a bad faith personal attack? Perhaps let's try keep to discussing ideas instead of insulting each other like mid witted barbarians.
No, I am saying you were full of shit talking out your ass and then you looked it up and saw you were wrong.
I don't like what you have to say at all with the pull yourself up by the bootstraps, ignore privilege, subtle racist garbage.
Talking up Elon like he is not a piece of shit and lying about his upbringing made me chime in since I have actually read about the loser.
Bro what? I was talking based on NY personal knowledge. You questions that knowledge. I googled it and turns our I was right. Now ur just blatantly trying to gaslight me?
Your boos mean nothing to me I've seen what makes u cheer. I have not said 1 single racist thing your interpretation and your stereotyping of groups is racist as fuck tho.
Bro he builds cool rockets and is actively pushing the boundaries of the human species capabilities I don't really care if he is a good or bad person he is doing things that are in my interest. I make decisions based on logic and statistics not emotional feeling about some guy
OP shared a thought. I pointed this is a formal concept and pointed the name, so they can search for more. The concept describes a real and observable phenomena.
Why are you bringing moral judgement of people here? Even if poor people are guilt of their own poverty (they aren't) like you are implying, it doesn't change they are formally, but not really free. Marx description stills holds up.
Not to mention that his argument started swaying a little too close to Eugenics in that last sentence
Had to nuke the profile on my instance. The modlog tells the crocodile is toning down their true opinions to appear less egregious.
You're a POS in many ways
That really depends on where you live, your health and possibly several points about your parents. Millions and millions of people never get a chance to grab, never get an opportunity to pursue.
Lots of people don't have any better options than to live under a bridge, despite being in an area where that is illegal and not a real option.
I live in the first world nation of Australia where I get free healthcare and practically free education.
U can make changes and make opportunities. Almost everyone has access to the internet or at least a library. If ur born someone that isn't Australia then perhaps try unfucking whatever place you live my ancestors threatened a king to get rights under the magna carta then build the greatest empire this planet has ever seen. Nothing is stopping the bridge dwellers from doing the same except the motivation to do so.
A nation built on stolen land where the better predictor of your class is is you are descendants from the settlers or from tha natives.
Except the inequal distribution of aducational and work opportunities, that assure the intergenerational inequality reproduction.
a concerned note:
Your comment about some people having fought for rights and others not is borderline racist. With precious comments about Darwin, it's a red flag.
All people fight. Some fights are smashed with unimaginable violence. We are watching a live genocide in Gaza to prove this point. Oceania colonization is built upon a genocide. I'm not assuming you have conscience of how disturbing these comments are for a person like me, in South America, where all attempts to built a decent society where meet with USA interventions. Try to think in more broad terms, not only based on your experience, but trying to encompass the multiple experiences in the world.
Bro we live in the world where the 50% of the richest families gained their wealth through inheritance. They represent like .000001% of humanity and control half the world’s wealth.
There’s no working hard and getting rich. Maybe you were born rich in CA and went in college early enough to get in on the tech wave.
The Facebook dev didn’t work harder than a farm laborer. They were born into privilege and got lucky and landed in one of the few viable careers