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[-] Fawkes@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 weeks ago

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think we should be telling people it's "Okay" to be morbidly obese. It isn't okay. It's extremely dangerous, and a massive resource drain. I don't see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who have tattooed swastikas on their foreheads, nor do I see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who weight a full x3 - x4 what their healthy weight is.

Obviously swastikas and obesity are not the same thing. But the point is, I don't think it's a universal taboo to mock people's appearances.

Body positivity should be "It's okay if you're not a super model, there are many body shapes and sizes." Not "It's okay to eat nothing but fast food and twinkies. Your doctor is fat-phobic if they tell you to lose weight."

[-] FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

You're not wrong. Id add tho that there's a mental health component to obesity that I think makes it more akin to substance abuse than forehead tattoos. But we dont tell people that its OK that they're raging alcoholics, generally, and conversely, maybe interventions would help the morbidly obese, but we don't do them.

So I don't disagree with you, but i dont think making fun of fat people is cool, which is what body shaming really is when youre name calling the Gravy Seals.

[-] Fawkes@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 weeks ago

I actually fully agree with you, and the point about the alcoholics is quite pertinent. We don't tell alcoholics they don't need to change, and we also mock them for being self destructive.

I also fully agree that mocking does not lead to change, encouragement and support does. However, LACK of mocking leads to normalization. I think support and condemnation are 2 sides of the same coin. We should be supporting those who need it, and condemning those who arrogantly refuse.

And I may be conflating the 2, but I am quite confident that most of these obese ICE racists have no desire to better themselves.

[-] phr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 weeks ago

i never affirmed anything nor was i talking body positivity. this is just about calling people out for their body. that is shitty behaviour for sure. none of us knows the life of other people, nor do we know their medical conditions and socio-economic situations. stop blaming them for stuff you don't know about. even if you were right about all of that for any given case and wished for them to be healthier: blame does not motivate people.

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

We do know the life of these other people, some of the shittiest people of them all or they wouldn't be willing to do this job.

Sorry, they deserve every possible shame they can get.

Edit. They drop the ice, I will drop the berg.

[-] Fawkes@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 weeks ago

If you weight 500lbs, it's becuase you eat more than you need. Biology is pure math. Calories in, calories out. There is no opinion or empathy in that calculation.

Medication and living situations can definitely effect it though, and those who struggle with weight absolutely deserve support and kindness.

But society needs both sides of the friction to genuinely encourage change. The condemnation side to prevent normalization, and the support side to welcome those who wish to change.

I support and encourage those who need it. But I will continue to condemn and mock those who refuse.

[-] CelestialBunny@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 weeks ago

Obesity wouldn't be the problem it is if it were just a personal choice. Plenty of people hardly have time for a healthy diet and lots of the quick, cheap, and easy options are calorie dense and addictive. It is very easy to unknowingly eat way too many calories without realizing it.

I won't say I didn't laugh at the joke. I did. But having been fat myself I can say that having people give me shit for my weight would never be helpful. Normalizing body shaming is more likely to create eating disorders and depression than it is to help fat people lose weight.

You don't need to shame fat people to shame Nazis.

[-] Duranie@leminal.space 0 points 4 weeks ago

There are numerous physical mental issues that bring someone to be that significant of a size. To break beyond the mental health issues to prioritize taking care of yourself and becoming healthier can be incredibly difficult. If you feel like a horrible piece of garbage and that the world thinks you're a horrible piece of garbage, that only serves to make it harder.

You have to start somewhere. To allow yourself to be okay with your body and except where it is now can help give someone acceptance to feel okay enough with themselves to actually start making progress.

[-] FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

I think it's really hard for people living without "food noise" to understand that food noise is real.

Like man, there's pizza in the fridge and for hours ive denied myself the pizza but now the circular thinking feels like an anxiety attack, and if I just eat the fucking pizza, my mind will calm down. And so the pizza gets eaten. Then the food noise starts about the sugar cereal in the cupboard. It's fucking wild.

And there's finally super expensive medication that can help turn that food noise down and that would likely save people from early deaths, but it's expensive and obesity is so stigmatized as a laziness/self-control problem that getting the medication brings connotations of its own.

Most people just don't have food noise. And they dont understand what it is. 99.9% of the obese people you meet, if you asked them if theyd like to be instantly thinner would say yes, but there are legitimate health/mental health barriers to it that prevent them from losing weight in conventional ways.

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