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Anthropic right now are the good people.
That probably won’t last. But out of a bad bunch they’re the least bad.
You are limiting your own intelligence by thinking companies can be described in those words.
They are not good. They are profit-seeking. Profit seeking doesn't necessarily mean evil, but it can never mean good. A non-profit who's goal is to improve their community around them, a co-op who's goal is to treat their workers with respect etc etc can all be described as 'good' to varying degrees, but no for-profit entity, especially a publicly traded one, can ever be described as 'good'
Hence their point about being the best of a bad bunch. Remember the people making decisions are people. A corporation has no soul and only seeks profit. People work for them and can make good decisions and be good people whomever they work for.
There were good people that worked for the nazis. Unless you think the cleaner, for instance of the Nazi headquarters cleaned as a way to speak evil.
However. I take your point. I just think that's not what is the point of the discussion here and is no different to both sides being bad on politics. It lacks nuance.
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/anthropic-claude-mythos-escaped-sandbox
It's already escaped it's sandbox.
Yes yes, not marketing at all. "It's so powerful, only those worthy enough can wield it." Make it so exclusive it seems illicit to acquire, that people will pay anything to join the club.
Or "we poorly implemented security controls for a system, it must have been so smart to have data leakage"
AI is fascism. full stop.
anthropic is just another cog in the fascist wood chipper that's eating away at our autonomy and choices.
with AI, all roads lead to fascism.
edit: my bad guys. I totally expected a group of technical engineers to see the general problem and not get sucked into the nuances of corporate greed and power. I swear I won't make the mistake of thinking software developers are intelligent enough to understand the problem before they attempt to solve for it again. thanks.
Maybe if you didn’t make unqualified blanket statements people would take you more seriously. If I trained my own LLM and kept it for my own personal use, in what way is that fascism? Because according to you it is, since all AI is fascism.
did you use a base model or did you create a model from scratch?
Since this is a hypothetical to make a point, obviously from scratch
Oh come on my dude. Being a Luddite isn't going to help anyone. I'm not saying AI is a force for good, but it is a useful tool in the right hands. Like an axe or a shotgun.
Not taking a side in this thread, but you might wanna learn more about the Luddites. Their story is very relevant to today.
last a checked shotguns that explode in your hands aren't good for anything, and axes that don't cut are just hammers.
I'm not resistant to AI or LLMs.
I'm resistant to corporate interests ignoring laws to create a product that is being used to subjugate people.
there's a difference.
Surely you can understand why people assume you are, when you say unnuanced lines like: "AI is fascism. full stop." , "with AI, all roads lead to fascism."
show me a model that isn't based entirely off of one of the major AI companies.
Could you elaborate on why this is? How are anthropics models fascism?
in 2024 Anthropic partnered with Amazon and OpenAI to provide Claude to US defense and intel agencies.
in 2025 Anthropic accepted $200 million from USDOD to use AI in military affairs.
in 2026 the military was ordered to stop using Anthropic services. two days later it was used in attacks against Iran.
also in 2026 an unsealed court filing found that Anthropic had an internal project called "Project Panama" which included the "effort to destructively scan all books in the world".
AI is fascism. full stop.
I think you are just referring to capitalism.
no. I'm not.
when a private sector company provides services to a government that is obtusely fascist, it itself becomes a tool in which fascist power is concentrated.
I think you're just too naive to understand what is actually happening. that or you're too stupid to notice the noose being slipped around your neck.
Ahh I see. Until AI, no private company offered their services to fascists. And it's only AI, it has nothing to do with maximizing profit.
We get it, you don't like AI. But thinking that the problem with those companies is AI and not capitalism is not noticing the noose.
capitalism is the vehicle that fascism is delivered in.
basically, it's what got us here. fascism was the goal.
Trump eats hamburgers. Hamburgers are fascist.
You know that Intel and AMD both grew up on government contracts, specifically military ones? Sure hope you don't use Intel or AMD.
I don't mean to start a full argument since I sense we have quite different views, but maybe you could tell me where I go wrong here. Say for the argument the entire Trump admin is fascist. I think there are still many places to break the chain of fascism before you get to anthropics models. (I use this definition of fascism). I think:
So in my view the chain between Trump Admin->DoD->Anthropic->Claude Sonnet 4.6, and in the opposite direction, is pretty weak and not enough that I would call the model fascist. I think this is especially true now that the use of the model is being phased out (?). That's in the "readily espouses or promotes views connected to fascism" and in the "any usage is directly funding fascist organizations in a major way" senses I feel that a model could be described as fascist (or AI in general could be).
To analogize again, I don't think a Bernie supporter working in the DoD is automatically a fascist and certainly don't think that purchasing an old TV from them is supporting fascism (or that the TV is fascist, even if they had previously used it in their office at the DoD).
The book thing I'm not sure how you connect to fascism? It might be ultra-bad, it might be copyright infringement, but it doesn't feel like fascism to me beyond surface level comparisons to book burning.
This is just capitalism. As profits fall due to competition between capitalists they seek new ways to profit. Monopolization, intensified exploitation, enshittification are one way to deal with this problem. However, if those aren’t working capitalists will try to fuse themselves to the state. They use state violence to pursue profits through hyperexploitation and imperialism. That’s what we call fascism. It’s not distinct from capitalism, just an extension of it.
AI companies are no different than any of the other companies that preceded it. They are so over leveraged it’s unlikely they can survive in the long run without the state. Thats why they are comfortable working with fascists. We could have computer scientists creating similar models that actually benefit humanity but it’s not going to happen under capitalism.