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I don't like anxious star trek
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I think the creators get a say over what the vibe of trek is supposed to be. I liked discovery when it was being a found family story.
their say has been shitty for 17 years
Dunno that I agree. First seaon of strange new worlds was better than it had any right to be. Starfleet Academy too. Hell of a lot better first seasons than TNG or DS9. Arguably discovery did too but I hated the first season surprise. And like I said, discovery is at its best when its about people having a found family they love and support. The feel good moments always got me. Especially the one on Trill.
that's a wild besmirching of ds9 season 1
To be fair there are some standout silly episodes like the one with Rumpelstiltskin or "go along home". The good episodes, like the one where someone tries to steal Dax, sort of feel like they are in a later season, so they might be forgotten.
Silly trek is best trek
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-pNQYHvhnms&list=RD-pNQYHvhnms&start_radio=1
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Easy to forget that the season as a whole was bad because of just how good it landed the start and finish. Emissary is good, Duet is excellent, In the Hand of the Prophets was good. As a whole it's definitely better than season 1 of TNG or VOY and these individiual episodes are better than anything nutrek ever produced,
Dunno how anyone can say this without a wildly inflated opinion of the actual quality of the older stuff. TOS was generally so bad it got yanked from the networks after 3 years only and produced a lot of awful episodes. TNG and later DS9 were both accused of ruining older trek. And the truth is it was just space slop with the very occasional powerful message. Don't see the justification for regarding the new stuff as being qualitatitive different. You don't have to like it, I dislike a lot of it, but it's the same kind of thing.
Worth noting that most of the criticism of nutrek is coming from right wingers who think it's woke, same as it always was.
TOS was so good that those most vile of groups—network executives and the average USian—rejected it. Commercial success is not the sole arbitrator of quality.
In terms of actual qualitative differences, I've got three off the top of my head: TOS has less/no blood; TOS embraces rather than rejects sillyness; TOS is low stakes episodic
In terms of wokeness, i am annoyed that TNG and DS9 arent woker, tbh. For its time TOS was extremely progressive in terms of casting. TNG is about the same as TOS (if anything, slightly worse; theres more POC side characters in TOS) but 30 years later so it feels like no progress has been made.
If it were as progressive relative to other 90s shows as TOS was in the 60s, TNG would have openly queer or autistic characters instead of trying to use robots and aliens as standins
wrt ds9, Avery Brooks (Sisko) apparently had some real knock down fights advocating for what he saw as good representation of Black people in the future. He doesn't really seem to discuss anything about it in public. Which is a significant sacrifice when you consider how being on trek even for a single episode provides life long income at conventions and such. He has forfeited all that.
As just one example, the whole thing nearly came crashing down when he decided he was going to change looks to shaved head and goatee. Execs thought he was too badass looking for a black guy and wanted the softer look of the first season. Brooks wouldn't back down and he won the conflict.
The commercial success just never happened until syndication. You can blame the execs if you want, completely agree they're vile, but there was no commercial success.
Hard to disagree with your characterization of TOS though the movies especially 6 dropped it. And the first two weren't really carried over into golden age trek.
In terms of comparing TOS to TNG, I agree with what you're saying but I think since in the 60s the bar was in hell for network TV, you had episodes on TOS like turnabout intruder or, let that be your last battlefield where the message is "maybe black people aren't completely to blame for racism against them". I think TNG does better even if it has one of the most racist episodes in the history of television in early Season 1.
wait you're down on let that be your last battlefield? that's wild. the message is racism is stupid and it's kindof amazing it was allowed to air back then.
If you pay attention to the script the black stand in was blamed just as much for racism as the white stand in. It was incredible for the 1960s but has aged terribly.
sure but i don't expect progressive media to stay progressive. the point of trying to teach the audience a lesson is that they don't need the lesson anymore.
it's like that Proudhon quote. (and we look back on his bigotry negatively, so he almost got what he wanted)
Right but claiming black people were half responsible for racism was fucked up in the 60s just as it is now. Just less people recognized it. So it's a good episode that's fucking painful to wach.
May I interject that there is an Ep of STE aired in 2003 (North Star) which much more blatantly presents such a situation. It is a planet which is aesthetically deep south (19th C) but has a 20th C deep south jim crow situation. But instead of black people, there are aliens ("Skagarans"). The reason jim crow exists is because the aliens tried to enslave the humans (who are all white IIRC), but the humans (due to their inherent freedom lovingness) revolted and created jim crow as as safety measure to control the aliens.
I personally think it is the worst most racist star trek episode ever, and yes I am including that TNG S01 ep where tasha fights the other woman to the death. This one is so much more racist because it poses that white supremacy was created with the pursuit of justice as part of a liberation struggle! It was necessary at the time Also all the aliens have zero agency, are totally brokendown subjugated and the plot is only advanced by inventions of "good white people". The submissiveness of the Skagarans is the reason that some humans are able to see them as worthy of any consideration whatsoever.
Yeah and that one came of nowhere too, wasn't is season 3 during the Xindi arc? Remembering it, I can't decide if it's worse than Code of Honor or not. Guess I didn't notice it first time because I was too busy being impressed by BJ Blaskowicz's dad standing up for an oppressed population.
they hated the middle star wars sequel too, for wrong reasons. reactionaries not liking something because they're illiterate bigots doesn't mean the thing they don't like is good quality.
it does mean there's a backlash to the backlash and you have to walk on eggshells to critique whatever they're hating today because people will jump down your throat even if you only talk about whether the plot makes any damn sense.
To me it means they're probably doing something right and get the benefit of the doubt. Worth noting that nutrek is a lot more "woke" than golden age if that's the standard.
"kill your gays" isn't woke
Forgot about that in the first season but they brought him back pretty quickly. I don't know how much of that was pressure and how much it was planned but they didn't seem to plan much despite being serialized. Definitely not as bad as Code of Honor though.
yeah code of honor is egregious. at least those actors got paid i guess.
Of course they get a say. They did get a say, they literally made the show. But I also get to have an opinion, and my opinion is that they fucked up royally and made a show that fundamentally betrays everything that made old trek good. I'm not saying they shouldn't get a say, I'm saying their work is shit.