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[-] orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Are you aware that it’s possible to want neither NATO tanks nor Russian tanks in Ukraine?

I am.

But do you believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia without NATO's weapon supply?

[-] trot@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

No, just as it would be unable to resist NATO in being turned into a far-right paramilitary-led banana republic if Russia were to suddenly withdraw without any decrease in NATO involvement.

But the beauty of the neat little trick above is that if the working classes of both sides correctly oppose their respective ruling classes' interests, we can end up with a scenario where both sides lose - objectively the best outcome for the Ukrainian people, as well as everyone else.

The Russian anti-war activists are clearly holding up their end of the bargain. Why are you not holding up yours?

[-] orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

The Russian anti-war activists are clearly holding up their end of the bargain. Why are you not holding up yours?

Ah! To be young and naive enough to believe that the anti-war activists in Russia have any leverage. They will all end up in Siberia or jumping out of a window.

Any regime change in Russia will come from the oligarchs, and the Russian working class will still be in a bad position (if not worse).

[-] trot@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They did quite well in WW1.

Speaking of that, was the Entente was completely justified in sending millions to die in the war? After all, previously you said:

I'm sorry, but when it involves one imperialist bloc invading a smaller country, then it does matter.

Not even one, but two smaller countries! Think of little Belgium and Serbia!

[-] CamaradeBoina@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Someone has read Lenin hihi

(Lenin exactly refers to the Belgium question in WW1 in "Socialism and the War")

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