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[-] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The Democrats are a right-wing party.

They are the secularist wing of the American Capitalist Party, and the Republicans are the theocratic wing.

They aren't the fucking opposition, and they're certainly not the fucking left.

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

False equivalence fallacy. Just because both are bad, that doesn't mean they are equally bad. I'm the same vein, they might not be as left as you'd like, but they are certainly more left than the magats.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

The problem is that they keep alienating their voters and losing to fascists, but refuse to ever change.

[-] gtrcoi@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

I totally agree, they should stop alienating the majority of voters by trying to appeal to radicals that actively smear the party.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Democrats will never accept that they cannot win republican votes by betraying the left.

[-] gtrcoi@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

First of all, they don't betray the left on 99% of issues, it's just that populist leftists consider anything less than maximal alignment "betrayal".

Second, Trump's support is plummeting thanks to his disastrous administration, Democrats are poised to sweep the midterms, and it's a safe bet the next 2 years will be even worse and result in a win in 2028. The slopulist voting block can shove it tbh, they aren't needed.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

First of all, they don’t betray the left on 99% of issues,

Don't lie. They betray the left on wages, worker protections, immigration, trans rights, cannabis legalization, healthcare, wall street reform, police reform, abortion, the Iraq war, the bank bailouts, childcare, family leave, voting rights, I can keep going but you get my point.

Not only do they do all of that shit, they support an unconscionable genocide in Gaza.

Not only that, they do everything they can to ratfuck any progressive candidate.

The slopulist voting block can shove it tbh, they aren’t needed.

The genocide wing said that in 2024 and now they blame the left.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

my dude, 2 or 3 people were most of these. i don't blame bernie for senator schlubb's actions.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm half convinced crab is a kremlin bot, his entire comment history is just don't vote for democrats.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

my dude, 2 or 3 people were most of these

My dude, democrats always find just enough turncoats. If we're talking percentages here, legislators defect at a higher rate than the party accepts from voters.

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Oh yeah. Solid agree. That is a problem.

Hopefully either they get their shit together or, by some miracle, there's a viable third party.

But the shit sandwich is that yeah, they are the only political party with any weight that can go against Republicans.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Hopefully either they get their shit together or, by some miracle, there’s a viable third party.

Hopefully the weight of the party is no longer sufficient to keep progressives from winning the primaries the party still permits.

Because centrists are never gonna change, at least not for the better.

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

If the weight of the Democratic party isn't sufficient anymore, it's because Republicans have taken control over everything. And since they are being the fascist party, I doubt they would let any progressive party gain enough ground to do anything after that.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

If the weight of the Democratic party isn’t sufficient anymore, it’s because Republicans have taken control over everything.

The weight of the party was not sufficient to stop Mamdani. And yet Republicans do not control New York City.

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

Mamdani is a Democrat and ran as one. You can't claim him for team third party.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

And the "you don't like the centrist wing so you must be a 3rd party guy" assumption rears its ugly head.

The party fought against Mamdani. They failed. Sex pest Cuomo lost.

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Ok but you can't say "all Democrats bad" then when someone points out a Democrat you like say "that one doesn't count"

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Where did I say "all democrats bad"?

The centrist democrats who run the party are bad. When I refer to the party, I'm not referring to those people the party goes out of its way to avoid representing. They only get let into the tent via the servants' entrance long enough to vote and are then kicked out.

[-] nlgranger@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

True but neither will provide solutions to the problems a leftist party would want to address.

[-] gtrcoi@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides'ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today 0 points 2 weeks ago

They haven't been trying. They've held both houses and the presidency twice in the 22st century.

[-] gtrcoi@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

You're right, they've actually been succeeding, good catch. Biden's infrastructure bill was insane, and capping drug costs for seniors and diabetics? What a chad. Strengthening Medicare, conditioning grant funding to companies on whether they provide affordable childcare to employees, raising the child tax credit, bailing out pension funds, I mean god damn, check out his climate policy https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/ira-charts-a-path-that-is-both-pro-climate-and-pro-worker/

The man was pro-labour af at every opportunity and passed a shit load of legislation worth trillions. Greatest president in living memory.

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today 0 points 2 weeks ago

The Child Tax Credit? You mean the one Biden let get killed, doubling child poverty in the process?

I wouldn't mention that if I was you, tounge washing the balls of the Senator from MBNA. Who made sure Trump could win in 2024.

[-] gtrcoi@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

Nice cherry pick, followed by bullshit. Also are you trying to say "tongue", but in an English as a second language kind of way? Kinda sus.

Now, you say "killed", but that's not true because it still exists at its previous level. Biden just boosted it during covid, plus democrats tried to continue it but were a single vote short. Just another example of Dems trying, and Republicans wasting oxygen.

Either way the point still stands, Biden was the most pro-worker president I've ever seen, and the piss babies that disagree are just mad because they don't know shit about politics, or democracy, or anything really.

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today 0 points 2 weeks ago

plus democrats tried to continue it but were a single vote short.

The Democrats literally controlled both houses. What you're leaving out here is that the Democrats didn't line up and vote for it. And Biden was the leader of the party.

Biden was the most pro-worker president I've ever seen

Right, who can forget how he got the PRO act passed?

and the piss babies that disagree are just mad because they don't know shit about politics, or democracy, or anything really.

Little boy, I was pounding the pavement for the Dean campaign while you were probably sucking on your mom's tits. I've seen exactly the rotating villain play in person too many times.

And here we see, like most shitlibs, you can't answer on the record of your precious Team Blue, so your only response is name calling and hysterical "you're not SERIOUS, I'm not listening, Dems are so good!" tantrums. No wonder you idiots keep losing to an insane game show host.

[-] gtrcoi@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

You're grasping at straws and pointing to nothing specific. What is your problem with the PRO act and how does it warrant this rediculous both sides attitude?

I've listed Biden's many achievements several times in this thread and none of the slopulists have been able to dispute them.

Thinking a party majority is the end of the story is the most terminally online take ever. That's not how representative democracy works.

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today 0 points 2 weeks ago

You need to actually learn how the US government works, my sad little GOP enabler.

[-] gtrcoi@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

Insane projections from the peanut gallery

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today 0 points 2 weeks ago

More name calling from BlueMAGA.

Sorry your ideology is such an obvious failure you have no other argument.

[-] gtrcoi@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

Bro, that's all you've been doing this entire time, that's why I said you're projecting, it's so blatant. Every time you bring up anything close to a substantive claim it's weak af and easily dismissed. You have nothing.

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today -1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not your bro. My substantive claim is the failure of your strategy - and I can just point to the fact that Donald Fucking Trump, an insane game show host, is occupying the White House.

You're a joke and a failure. I left the US already because it was so obvious that idiots like you would destroy any effective resistance to the GOP agenda, and I hate how much you've proved me right.

[-] gtrcoi@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago

Lol. So your substantive claim is irrelevant to the topic, which was whether voting for Democrats is worth it. You're trying to pivot to criticizing their electoral strategy because you're terrified to admit that Democrats are far superior to Republicans in incredibly meaningful ways for people all over the world.

The only people making a fuss about electoral strategy are dumbasses who can't understand or care about actual policy, they are only concerned with what shows up on their feed and the vibes they get. Brainrotted consumers at the end of a pipeline who advocate for nothing because their vapid world-view precludes any real understanding.

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