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The big players do definitely try to shut down independent email. We don't have to let them succeed though, and the way to fight back is to host your own.
Edit: *one way to fight back.
Hmm. If what you were saying was true, then a lot of new Lemmy instance operators would be having problems with email verification.
Lemmy allows using any smtp server to send emails. Can use Googles servers, fastmails servers etc.
It's different from running your own email server. If you run your own, then Google and the others are definently not going to trust it. There are lots of blog posts about the pain of running your own email server.
There are literally no problems running your own server if you comply with anti spam measures.
Most germans are on gmx.net, and they block residential ips. So it's impossible to send them messages. So i had to abandon my efforts.
You shouldn't run email server from a residential IP address. That's one of the conditions how you comply with anti spam measures.
?? then clearly, i CANNOT run an email server? without buying my way into a higher status of ip address?
i can host fedi from residential ip's, and that's a huge part why it's possible for us to talk right now (of course, i need cloudflares help for this, since i have no ipv4 address - but other than that)
I don't see this as a problem. It's not like VPS is a luxury and costs a fortune. You'll waste more money on powering your PC 24/7.
A VPS is basically just a complicated way of making an account with a large infrastructure provider imo if i can't have a raspberry pi, that costs only electricity, and have it host an email server
the protocol is not open! at least it is more closed than i'd like - it's open enough for companies, granted
If I have to have a computer, imo it’s not open. It should just be in the air or it’s literally an impossible barrier for anyone to get past.
?? This is clearly not what i'm saying. Residential Hosting is technically possible - everything works as intended, it's just that a tiny bit of extra logic on the recievers side rejects the delivery.
That's very different from...? Demanding the air? Hosts it?
I just think the requirement is red tape, and i have no idea why yall are so ready to accept, that you shouldn't own the machienes you run your code on, if you're not a company.
Suree, i am a bit oblivious, it may be that it's as "easy" as calling your isp. It's just that my isp never picks up, and sends the pinkertons after me to get me to stop calling.
I don't know how much electricity costs where you live, but running a RasPi 24/7 would cost around £2 per month here. Then you also need to factor in internet costs, backups, maintenance, etc. You can get a VPS from £5 per month with everything included. You can get something even cheaper if you really want to. There's literally no point running anything at home, except for Home Assistant.
And yes, everything is open. You just want weird things.
A VPS is rented
Thats like not understanding why people own a home I mean yah i coul get a static ip i guess that would actually make sense
It's not the same as owning a home. Also you can put your own hardware on premises or rent a static IP address. All of your arguments are nothing but ignorance.
Not that guy but I see the confusion here. What he really means is self host which could mean running something in your garage or could mean running something on a VPS as long as you're doing it yourself. You can definitely self host email. You can even run it in your garage you just need to tunnel through a VPS or something with a non residential IP.
Suree in the grand sheme of things getting a non-residential ip shouldn't be too hard
But i still think it's one of those pieces of red tape that have killed a lot of diversity
This is absolutely a reason to close your home server -i mean if you're buying an VPS anyway that uses the same bandwidth it would use with the server set up there
Why keep a server in your garage? And then you're not truely independent anymore, because of a small policy somewhere
I DO think garage hosting is an important part of an ecosystems freedom.
I can garage host fedi, and i AM in this very moment. For web services it's just DOS Protection that we need Men in the Middle for. Which is sad but, actually not an artificial requirement.
I do agree, but at this point most residential connections are probably behind CGNAT so wouldn't even have a public IP associated with just their connection anymore. You can always buy a business line and have them connect it up to your home. I think that would also give you a non residential IP?
I am hosting this server behind a dynamic ipb6 address, which a script send to the cloudflare api every time it changes
As long as you have a DSLite ipv6 non-nat address, you can be on the web - with compromises xD
My parents are still behind a dynamic ipv4, which is not behind a NAT
You sir are living on the edge
How does that work, complying with anti spam measures?
You need a fixed, non-residential IP address. You need a domain name with SPF. You need to set up DKIM. And you need to set up DMARC.
In theory, you only need DMARC, but some old email software somewhere might not support it.
And then you can use services like https://www.mail-tester.com/ to check if everything is set up correctly.
I’ve had hosted email from a service provider for years and never had a problem. I’m not talking anyone big here.
This is truly not meant to be snarky: It sounds like you don't know how email works.