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[-] TheChurn@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

North Korea invaded the South.

Crippling sanctions and the military presence are because the war never officially ended.

Learn history.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At the time of the Korean War, Korea was one single country.

The only seperation was an administrative one, after WW2 Japan gave up Korea, and two Allied countries were given the task of overseeing the transition from Japanese rule, to independence. The US in the South, and their (at the time) ally the USSR in the north. It was just a made up line.

Then the US ends up basically installing a US-friendly brutal dictator into power, and claimed it to be the government for all Korea.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Also the Koreans that previously collaborated with the japanese curiously joined the south. I wonder why...

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Bodo League Massacre

The massacre was committed by the government forces of president Syngman Rhee and falsely blamed on the communists led by North Korean leader Kim Il Sung. The South Korean government made efforts to conceal the massacre for four decades. Survivors were forbidden by the government from revealing it, under threat of being treated as communist sympathizers; public revelation carried with it the threat of torture and death. During the 1990s and onwards, several corpses were excavated from mass graves, resulting in public awareness of the massacre. Half a century after the massacre, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission investigated this among other incidents that were largely kept hidden from history, unlike the well-publicized North Korean executions of South Korean right-wingers.

This was the instigating event behind the civil war.

[-] TheChurn@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

This the was instigating event behind the civil war

No it wasn't, and it wasn't even one event.

There were literal years of border skirmishes before the North invaded on the 25th of June, 1950. The Bodo League Massacre is the name for a series of purges of suspected communists that began with an order from the SK President on June 27th, 1950. Two days after the North Invaded.

Try again tankie.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

If hating tankies means you have to support fascist dictatorships, then I guess I'll never hate tankies.

[-] TheChurn@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

If hating tankies means you have to support fascist dictatorships, then I guess I’ll never hate tankies.

Luckily it doesn't.

It is very possible to dislike more than one thing.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Why do you have to defend the fascists in this specific case, then?

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You know how it goes, "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds".

[-] TheChurn@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

I did not defend any fascists. I pointed out innacuracies in the prior posts.

Ask the other poster why they felt the need to lie to make their points.

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

it wasn’t even one event.

Well, that’s a refreshing take to see. But that doesn’t make the event mentioned here not problematic or not a further motivator of the war

[-] TheChurn@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, that’s a refreshing take to see. But that doesn’t make the event mentioned here not problematic or not a further motivator of the war

Did you miss the part where the first such event didn't take place until after the invasion by the North?

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Nope. That’s like saying the Emancipation Proclamation couldn’t have motivated any sides in the Civil War because it happened halfway through.

[-] TheChurn@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The comment I replied to said this:

This was the instigating event behind the civil war.

Dictionary.com says this for the word "instigating"

Causing, initiating, responsible for

Please explain how an event that occured after the invasion was the cause or initiator of the war.

If you cannot, then admit you didn't read the thread and just came in here to muddy the waters.

If you are too proud to admit that, just ghost.

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I didn’t claim they were correct. If you look above, I made a weaker claim than they did.

that doesn’t make the event mentioned here not problematic or not a further motivator of the war

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Jeez i wonder why there was such a division in the first place.

[-] TheChurn@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Japanese occupation --> Separate US and Soviet Occupation Zones --> Two different governments of 'Korea'.

Not all that complicated.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Interesting how you ignore how the US did not recognize the goverment installed by the people of korea (PRK), the people who fought for liberation against the japanese, and decided to establish a military junta with the koreans that collaborated with the japanese, who were hated by everyone for obvious reasons.

[-] TheChurn@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Interesting how you ignore how the US did not recognize the goverment installed by the people of korea (PRK)

The brief existence of the PRK has essentially no bearing on the civil war. It existed less than a year, and was dismantled in both the South and the North by the actions of the US and Soviet Union.

Neither power cared to entertain what the people of Korea wanted in the Post-War period.

I wonder what half-truth or outright lie y'all will respond with next to paint the US and SK as Satan next to the Angelic Soviet Union and DPRK.

No power were the 'good guys'. None had the moral high ground. All deserve blame for what happened. The history of the period is one of tragedy and ambition.

None of that changes the fact that North Korea, backed by the Soviets and later China, started the shooting war by invading the South.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

"context does not matter" is exactly what you're saying but whatever it is obvious to me that you haven't read more than the first paragraph of the wikkpedia article.

[-] TheChurn@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Context does not matter is exactly what you're saying

No, what I am saying is you can't blame every bad thing about the Korean peninsula on the US. Did the US recognize the PRK? Nope, they suppressed it. Should they have recognized it? Probably.

Did the Soviets recognize the PRK? Nope, they usurped it. Should they have recognized it? Probably.

Did the existence of the PRK change the trajectory of the peninsula towards separation and civil war? No, it was hardly a speed bump to the imperial power of the USSR and US.

The PRK is an interesting historical anecdote, but it is irrelevant when discussing the Korean War.

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