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Zelensky dismisses compromise with Putin, pointing to Prigozhin’s death (www.cnn.com)

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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

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[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 145 points 1 year ago

Russia is a terrorist country. Terrorists can't be negotiated with. #SlavaUkraini

[+] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -41 points 1 year ago

"Slava Ukraini" is fascists slogan used by, and mainly associated with, the mass murderers of hundreds of thousands of Poles and Jews. I guess that doesn't count as terrorism in your worldview.

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava_Ukraini

You might want to specify whether you're talking about the pre-WWI, post-WWI, WWII, USSR, or post-USSR meaning.

For reference, the current year is 2023.

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I already responded to this in a reply to another user:

So it’s perfectly normal to revive a slogan that was last used by fascists? I’m sure the fact that Ukraine also made Bandera a national hero and put up statues of him and named streets in his honor right around the same time that slogan made its comeback is just a coincidence? Totally innocent slogan my ass.

You might be blind in your right eye if you think this isn't some fascist shit. This is like "the swastika is an old Hindu symbol" type defense, only worse because you're ignoring the Hitler portrait right next to it.

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I'm blind in my left eye, thank you very much... but since we're copying other comments:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists

It's mainly associated with "Ukrainian Nationalists" since WWI, adoped by the fascist organization which took part in the Holocaust and massacre of Poles, whose members have been granted veteran benefits in 2019, and its emblem is being used by present Ukrainians.

I'm not defending it, and as a Pole I'm definitely suspicious of Ukraine's true intentions behind the slogan and the emblem... but I'm also pro-EU, and right now it's better to support Ukraine, than to let Russia think about which EU member state to invade next.

Afterwards, if Ukraine wants to get its shit in order to a level where it could join the EU and NATO... then go ahead. Germany did it, Italy and Spain did it, and we're all better for that.

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Germany and Italy literally did not get rid fascism willingly, they were defeated and this was imposed on them. And being from Germany, I assure you denazification was incredibly half-assed.

Look at it for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SlCLSBr9sW0

They're doing the salute and everything. That salute was introduced by the fascist OUN.

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[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

FML... that is indeed the fascist salute.

I know de-nazification was half-assed; I lived in Italy, now I live in Spain, and man, 45 years after the fascist regime was "gone", there are still those opposing the removal of some fascist symbols. They used to argue that "it's too soon", now they're arguing "it's too late, let them be", while there are still people killed by the dictature laying unidentified in some ditch or another.

Guess we'll have to live and see where it all goes.