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The gun(s) are the most significant enablers of mass shootings.
Complete lack of accessible mental health counseling enters the room.
You know it can be both right?
No, it cannot. The comment literally said "most significant". That means 1, not 2.
Then it is still not correct.
How many shootings would happen if everyone was mentally sane? At least some, out of spite or as revenge.
How many shootings would happen if guns didn't exist? None.
Nobody said anything about guns not existing. Only about gun laws. You can't regulate guns out of existence, you can make them with parts from a hardware store or a 3D printer. There are literally us government handbooks on how to improvise firearms. The genie is out of the bottle and we will never again be in a world without guns. The only question is if we make the idea of them taboo and illegal for civilians or not. But as history shows over and over, when citizens are disarmed bad things happen.
It's easier to get guns in many EU countries than many US states.
And do those states have fewer mass shootings?
No. California has some of the strictest gun laws and leads the country in mass shootings. New York also has ridiculously strict gun laws and is up there on the mass shootings count as well.
(Though also let's be real the shootings are just correlated with large dense populations in the current US climate, not if the state is red/blue. So let's drop the gun law security theatre, there are a million factors that influence gun violence more than restricting the rights of everybody.)
Citation needed because last I checked California's gun death rate is lower than average.
The topic was mas shootings, not gun deaths. Mass shootings are an extremely small percentage of all firearm deaths. And even that statistic doesn't matter, because MOST gun deaths aren't murders, they are suicides or accidents.
Source for mass shootings though since you asked
https://www.statista.com/statistics/811541/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-state/
No, only like Switzerland it is. And there you can't even buy ammo.
Look up gun laws in Austria, the Czech Republic, etc. Hell when I was in Budapest the military was literally set up in a park giving civilians dry fire training just in the middle of a fair in a park.
Curing every single man, woman and child in America of "mental illness", including people who don't seek nor want treatment, for no cost, to a level far beyond our current medical knowledge, in less time than it takes to buy a gun and so completely that they will never relapse, all so that the public can be indiscriminately sold semi-automatic weapons without any balancing of risk, is not nearly as reasonable a solution as the pro-gun community pretends it is.
Even if that paradise could be built, it's not the America that people are living in now where domestic terrorists, armed with semi-automatic weapons and political views functionally identical to most of the pro-gun community, are routinely firing into crowds of people with legal, easily acquired weapons that are perfect for firing into crowds.
So how about this as a compromise: America can adopt strict, risk-based gun laws in line with the rest of the world today to address the maximising of damage that is happening now.
Then, once you've finished building your air-tight mental-health-for-all system, you can have your dogshit gun laws back.