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Female surgeons sexually assaulted while operating
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Men are people too, so “can people not be terrible” is still accurate…
Yes, but essentially saying "not all men" serves no other purpose than to enable men to continue to ignore and exclude themselves from the problem, making them actively a part of the problem.
Edit: I find it absolutely hysterical that you assholes can't help yourselves but pipe up and continue to expose yourselves to be exactly the kind of men we are talking about (when all it takes it to literally just.. not. You realise you do have the ability to just shut the fuck up, right?). Enjoy whining in to the void, I've already wasted too much time on you clowns.
You also have the ability to shut the fuck up. Seems like most people here would like very much for you to exercise that right immediately.
Would you do the same for different races or religions?
"Yes, but essentially saying "not all muslims" allows muslims to continue to ignore and exclude themselves from the problem, making them actively a part of the problem."
Of course not, those aren't on the list of approved groups to generalise.
Lmfao at you thinking you "got me".. 🤣🤣
If the discussion was about a situation where a power imbalance clearly and obviously benefitted Muslims, then yes (except there isn't a global problem with the power imbalance favouring Muslims on anywhere the same scale as there is for men).
It really isn't difficult once you take your head out of your ass.
Or you can continue to make up as many strawmen and false equivalencies as you like to try and derail the conversation, but all that achieves is you showing your ass as being part of the problem, knowingly now, because you've been provided with information that should make you rethink your bad take, not double down on it.
Strawmen don't exist, this user is asking you about situations that do exist, such as the example about the muslims, which is absolutely a real thing that you absolutely would get flack for saying in real life. So no, to ask you a why it's magically ok for you to say it about men when it's not ok to say about literally any other group, makes it by definition the very opposite of a strawman. Don't use words if you don't understand what they mean.
This also demonstrates that your point about power is wrong. If hate speech is only allowed about one single group, it suggests the opposite of: that group holds all the power.
I suppose not all women are as rude as you. Does that ignore and exclude you from the problem?
What are you going on about?
Nobody in this thread has said “not all men”.
The top comment said “can people just not suck”, then OP responded saying “actually, in this case, only men suck”.
Except you did, insisting on saying "people are terrible" as an answer to "men are terrible" is not only pretending people of other genders are part of the problem when they're not but is
Not that any of this will stop you from continuing to try to derail the conversation instead of just accepting that this is a problem with men, no matter how uncomfortable that is for you to deal with.
But they didn't say that? They said 'men are terrible' is included in the phrase 'people are terrible' because men are people.
Except they did, insisting on saying "people are terrible" instead of "men are terrible" is not only pretending people of other genders are part of the problem when they're not but is
Not that any of this will stop you from continuing to try to derail the conversation instead of just accepting that this is a problem with men, no matter how uncomfortable that is for you to deal with.
Yes, in this case men are absolutely to blame, I am not denying this.
I believe they intended their comment as a general statement not specific to sexual harassment/assault. It felt like a fatalist response, not as an attempt to derail the conversation.
You came in here picking a fight but everyone else is an asshole. Ok there.
If it's not them who caused the problem, why can't they be excluded from the problem? Are you to blame for any other women's problems?
I don't think that would do anything. The problem isn't that they don't know it's wrong, it's that they know they won't face any consequences for their actions.
Leave the mindless man-bashing on reddit. Sexism should not be any more welcome welcome on Lemmy than it is in an operating room.
You might need an extra 1 year course on why it's not "a thing" to be lacking common sense