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It is said that ACs are counterproductive in fight against global warming, in that while they may make the local environment temporarily livable, the greenhouse gases produced while making the electricity needed to operate them heat up the rest of the Earth by much more than the relief from the AC itself. By how much exactly is that? Note that here I am interested in the global impact of greenhouse gases specifically, not in the local heat island effect (given how ACs do not destroy heat but only move it from inside to outside, and add extra heat from running the compressor itself). Let's also assume all electricity comes from fossil fuels (ACs might become a viable solution if 100% of AC electricity came from renewable solar, which is actually a reasonable goal to strive for given how both AC and solar are most active during the day, but at the moment most of electricity delivered to me specifically, for example, comes from natural gas.)

Here's my estimate. Let me know if it is reasonable! Methane has energy density of 891 kJ/mol, burnt into CO2 at 1 mol : 1 mol. Gas turbines have efficiency up to 60%. The radiative forcing of CO2 can be calculated as: ln(new ppm/old ppm)/ln(2)*3.7 W/m**2. For example the 131 ppm increase in CO2 since 1750 up to 411 ppm has a radiative forcing of 2.05 W/m**2 (is that across the entire Earth's surface? or only its crosssection?), and CO2 has persistence in atmosphere for at least 1000 years. The atmosphere composition is 78% nitrogen 21% oxygen 0.9% argon so its molar mass is:

.78 * 28 g/mol + .21*32 g/mol + .009*18 g/mol = 28.7 g/mol 

And total atmospheric mass:

4*3.14*(6.37e6 m)**2 * ~10000 kg/m**2 * 1000 g/kg / (28.7 g/mol) = 1.78e20 mol

Suppose 8 billion people each run 1kW AC for 1 year, with electricity from natural gas. (That's similar to our total current global energy consumption of 20TW, though of course we use power for things other than just AC or electricity, but also most energy comes from coal and gasoline not just gas, and 80% comes from fossil fuels not renewables.)

8e9 people * 1000 W/person * 60*60*24*365 s / (891e3 J/mol * 0.6) = 472e12 mol

That's 472 teramols of CO2 (20.8 gigatons) added to the atmosphere each year, or 472e12 / 1.78e20 * 1e6 = 2.65 ppm (parts per million). It is believable that having done so for a hundred years we have raised CO2 concentration from pre-industrial levels up to 411 ppm. The radiative forcing is:

ln((411 ppm + 2.65 ppm)/(411 ppm)) / ln(2) * 3.7 W/m**2 = 0.0343 W/m**2

Or for the whole earth:

4*3.14*(6.37e6 m)**2 * 0.0343 W/m**2 = 17.5 TW

What is my individual contribution for 1 hour?

17.5e12 W / 8e9 / (24*365) = 0.25 W

That is, if I run my 1kW air conditioner for 1 hour, the entire Earth will be solar heated by an extra 0.25 W for the next 1000 years. That doesn't sound like much, but it adds up over time: I spent one kilowatt-hour in one hour on cooling, but the rest of the Earth will be heated by an extra 0.25 W * 24*365 hours = 2.2 kilowatt-hours in the next year, and again every year thereafter. Multiply that by 8 billion people or a hundred years and it adds up a lot, even considering the heat is distributed across entire planet surface not just areas where people live.

So my answer is 1 kWh of cooling = 2.2 kWh of heating per year for the next 1000 years. By same calculation in terms of mass, 1 kg of CO2 = 7.4 kWh of heating for every year thereafter. Is this accurate?

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[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

A/C for cooling is one of those things that highly correlates with the availability of solar power.

So your assumption that they are running on coal is suspect.

Heatpumps running in the winter are a more pressing concern, since those are highly correlated with the unavailability of solar and therefore often run on coal or gas (unless wind or hydro is available)

Even so, burning gas in a power plant and then running a heat pump is more efficient than burning gas to warm a house.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You are probably talking about US. For instance, in Europe, places where A/C is more needed and used have also lower share of energy produced from renewable sources.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago

It's not about current usage it's about AC is needed at times that are sunniest.

More sun? More AC usage.

Solar supplies this energy usage well.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unfortunately currently most A/C in many countries runs with energy from fossil fuels. In Europe for sure. Solar production still lags behind too much

[-] TauZero@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

I need the AC right now and it's middle of the night in September 🤮

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Turn it on. You need it. Don't put it too low though

[-] TauZero@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, ideally all AC will be running off solar, but that's not the case at the moment. My state has thankfully closed its last coal powerplant, but also shut down one of its nuclear plants, using gas to replace both. We are now running at 50% gas 20% nuclear 20% hydro and 10% wind/solar. Which is why I wanted to focus on methane in this specific calculation: when deciding "is it OK for me to run the AC now, or is the longterm global heating side-effect too great?" natural gas is what is relevant to me.

How "great" that is is precisely the question here, and apparently it's 2.2x. If you are really a stickler for exact real-life electricity production piechart distribution, multiply that by 50% gas and call it 1.1x. That is, for every year that I run my 1kW AC, that's as if I am airdropping a 1.1kW heater to a random location on Earth that will heat it up at 1.1kW forever. 10 years = 11 random heaters. 8 billion people = 88 billion random heaters. Is that "too great"? I dunno.

Winter heating is its own problem, but at least cold can always be dealt with by more insulation and clothing. Heat can literally make whole areas of Earth unsurvivable without electrical cooling. Would I rather feel more comfortable now or choose to be able to survive without mechanical aids later?

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Using a static model is too simplistic.

An A/C consumes more energy when the temperature difference is higher, which is when it's sunny outside. At those points in time, the grid is receiving a lot of solar power.

So just saying a grid has 10% solar is too simplistic. That grid probably has 30% solar during summer noon and 0% solar on a winter morning.

If your goal is to save emissions, your best bet is to get some solar panels if you can, run the A/C when the sun is shining. Have a well insulated house that acts as a thermal battery and turn the A/C off during the peaks of the duck curve.

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