@pathief Your Dorfromantik comments made me laugh; I've had discussions about what happens when you decouple ways of determining "victory" from players and their actions (coop or competitive) and you essentially have the same opinion I do.

"All games are activities, but not all activities are games..."

Dorf is not a bad thing, but it's not my jam is all. I know people who absolutely adore it and I'm happy it exists for them.