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Tame your inner dictator!
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this post was submitted on 06 Jul 2023
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Copying this from another comment I made. Defederating would pretty much cut off a lot of potential new users that want to see posts on Threads while also not wanting to have a Meta account and all the issues that come with it. People here need to realize that they are in an echo chamber. Mastodon and Lemmy needs users and content. Cutting a big portion of that would kill it in the long run. There would be nothing to "extinguish" in the first place in their complaints of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
I had a minor debate here re: Usenet, where OP said we basically had an “easy to use” internet 30+ years ago, and AOL won by blanketing people with CDs.
I’m a techie who first got online with a 2400baud modem and I am fully aware that nothing I do can be extrapolated to the general population. Now that I work in the field, designing for “normies” is how and why services grow. The winners are the most usable services, not the most ideologically righteous ones.
(Also normies is a ridiculous elitist term, users of lemmy and mastodon are not special or smart…in this moment in time we’re primarily idealists with strong opinions on centralized tech that most people couldn’t care less about lol)
I just think it acknowledges that we're abnormal in how we're approaching all of this.
Kinda the point, no? Kill Threads in the cradle by denying it access to the fediverse.
Threads already has over ~~10 million~~ 30 million users who mostly haven't even heard of the Fediverse.
Nobody will kill it in its giant cradle by blocking from their few-thousand-user instance.
If they don't interact with the fediverse, it's just another Instagram except worse than actual Instagram. It won't gain popularity or become profitable.
I don't know about profitability, but in one day it drew 4x as many users as Mastodon gained in 7 years.
Which is a tiny fraction of Instagram, which is all it is currently.
Exactly, I have a lot of normie friends that use threads, I don't want to use it but would love to interact with them. Best of both worlds
if you interact with them, you’re “using” threads
Can you elaborate?
I would have phrased it as "supporting" Threads. If you don't defederate, Threads will take over your instance. Either directly through the sheer amount of posts, or indirectly by colluding with your instance admins. Or both. It's how they operate. And then the ads and data harvesting and walled gardens will come.
If you choose to defederate you have isolated your users, made a decision of whom they can and can not interact with. Again, if this was agreed upon by the user at time of sign up (like niche communities) it's understandable. There's not even a migration option on some of these apps like lemmy, you can't change your instance easily if they decide to defederate.
Yes. And I'm saying it's worth it.
sure! in the fediverse, the content of users and communities is stored on the servers of the actor you’re interacting with. for now, i’m just going to specifically refer to microblogging and user<->user interactions because that’s much simpler than the many different ways that the threadiverse interactions happen
so, if you send a message to a threads user, or that user interacts (likes, etc) your content then that data is stored on metas servers. heck, technically they don’t even need to interact: meta can just suck up all the data and use it for their analytics!
by contributing content to the fediverse on an instance that doesn’t defederate from, or you haven’t blocked threads some other way, your content is likely to be ingested by meta and go through their data processing…
you might not be using the threads UI, but threads is using you that’s for sure
TBH, I haven't delve deep in exact architecture of these systems. AFAIK posts and all data remain on instance of OP but when you like, boost etc. it's not like your data is transferred to that instance, and you've lost your privacy.
The architecture of Mastodon
But I guess you're making a different argument. Yes we're using threads every time we interact with a user there, but again we're not seeing ads, we're not giving every single click and page view to meta. It's not ideal but it's way better than using threads UI!
No one is stopping you from interacting with them on threads separately from lemmy/kbin/federated sites.
But the beauty of Activity Pub is that I can have privacy and interact with them!