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That would be communism. Socialism is (partially) at work in European countries where we have captialism at the base, but using that to feed socialist programs.
Yeah, they've been tearing a lot of it down lately, but still
You think the fascists care about the difference between communism and socialism?
TBF, one wants to use surveillance to protect the income of the wealthy, the other to allegedly protect the government in its most extreme form.
But protecting the wealthy is cool, right?
Shoplifting isn't happening because of capitalism.
It's happening because the local government won't prosecute the people that do shoplift
Or it's because many grocery chains used COVID as a reason or excuse to raise prices and refuse to lower them despite supply chains healing, during a time where literally everything a modern human needs to survive becomes nearly unreashable expensive.
But sure, it's because cops aren't shooting enough shiplifters.
A lot of it is because of need. The lower rungs of our society have been pushed to the point where the risk of being caught and jailed is less of a driver than hunger. The social fabric is unravelling. I just hired someone and I’m giving them a living wage and I’m getting suspicion in return.
That and, arguably being in prison is better for someone than going hungry. You get clothes, 3 meals a day, and a shower.
Are you suggesting that nobody ever stole anything from a store in a socialist/communist country?
It's the obvious followup to your statement "shoplifting is happening because of capitalism. Period." You were very clear and I think my question is very clear.
Your logic is right, but what he's meaning is that capitalism exacerbates poverty. When homes, food, healthcare become commodities the people that can't afford the new norm HAVE to do what they can to survive.
Yes, some-to-most shoplifters may be shoplifting for less than survival reasons, but in the same way many would argue that capital punishment risks the many at the expense of a few, villifying and prosecuting shoplifters risks the legitimate survival of a lot of people.
Shoplifting is happening because the economy is fucked, and plenty of people see the risk of shoplifting to be worth the reward of access to the things they need.
You can be a compassionate person, and work fix this problem by offering better safety nets and access to human needs to the needy, or you can take the fascist route and demand expansion of the state to punish the poor even further.
Agreed. Shoplifting is a response to the health level of the community surrounding it.
Is the incarceration rate really that high in Australia? I thought it was closer to the global average.