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Ukraine destroys prized US$1.2 billion Russian air-defence system with cruise missiles, reports say (www.scmp.com)

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The advanced S-400 ‘Triumf’ air-defence system was destroyed in a joint operation by Kyiv’s security service and navy, Ukrainian intelligence sources said The attack off the coast of Yevpatoriya was orchestrated through the aerial drones and Neptune domestic missiles, Ukrainian official Anton Gerashchenko said

Ukraine used drones and missiles to take down an advanced Russian air-defence system worth US$1.2 billion early on Thursday, according to multiple reports.

The advanced S-400 “Triumf” air-defence system was destroyed in a joint operation by Kyiv’s security service (SBU) and navy, the BBC and Reuters reported, citing Ukrainian intelligence sources.

The attack off the coast of Yevpatoriya was orchestrated through the use of aerial drones and Neptune domestic missiles, per Anton Gerashchenko, a Ukrainian official writing on Telegram.

Yevpatoriya is a coastal city in the west of occupied Crimea, which Russia seized from Ukraine in 2014.

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[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

Whoooaaa... The South China Morning Post is reporting this in this kind of tone? Now that is a shifting of the tides, they didn't have to talk up how "prized" it was. No wonder Putin is cozying up to Kim.

Never thought I'd see the day where Russia comes crawling to North Korea, but if Xi's support is starting to wilt this much, they're going to need anyone they can get.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

They even threw this in for shits and giggles:

This would not be the first time Russia accidentally revealed its location by attempting to shoot down Ukrainian targets.

Last week, Ukraine said it was able to attack Russian soldiers after they attempted to shoot down a Ukrainian flag that was attached to helium balloons and flew into occupied territory.

[-] Reverendender@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

It’s like Looney Tunes, but with blood

[-] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I want to upvote you twice: once for the apt comparison, and again for spelling "Tunes" right.

[-] Bobzemoer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I never thought I would see the day when Russia and China, previously fighting Nazi Germany and Japan would become so like the countries themselves back then, but here we are.

Russia is the modern day Nazi Germany and China is the modern day WW2 Japan. Japan and Germany? Well they're the good guys now, literally swapped places.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

One thing that worries me regarding that... If you consider the past couple thousand years, a very large number of different peoples have tried to conquer the world, from Alexander the Great leading the Macedonians to Napoleon and his European conquests. They all failed, and their works were often ruined after their deaths. If not ruined then, then within a few centuries.

Much like how an individual can make mistakes and learn from experience, so can a culture, society or organization. The peoples that tried to conquer the world learned lessons from that experience, that altered their behavior moving into the future.

China, specifically, is a proud, rich and prosperous land. They were extremely insular for most of history, they actually never once tried to conquer the world to demonstrate any objective superiority they may believe in. So they never learned this cultural lesson in the same way that others did.

The idea of this lesson needing to be learned the hard way, in the modern world, with modern technology, worries me significantly.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think there was any support from China in the first place it's just that China didn't want to cross Russia publicly. They probably did remind Russia of the nuclear guarantees they gave to Ukraine in private, which is why we hear Russia threatening the west but not Ukraine, and then sat back while Russia dug its own grave. Publicly opposing Russia might have stopped Russia from doing that. Generally speaking, you can expect the Chinese to be shifty just as you can expect Yanks to whip their dick around and the Swiss to profit by harbouring money.

And while some Chinese munition was found in Russian stockpiles it's overall quite little, probably arriving there via third parties. If China actually backed Russia up with hardware things would look quite different.

[-] xep@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

China has a very public "no limits" strategic partnership with Russia.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

...and the Russia went straight ahead practically days after doing egregious shit that China is not cool with, never has been, having misconstrued talk for willingness to walk. Russian diplomats should know the Chinese well enough to know, but when has Putin ever listened to people.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

You only hear Russia threaten the west, but not Ukraine? You don't remember when they pushed through the vote to annex the Donbas area, because making it officially Russian territory gives them the excuse to nuke to defend it?

Here's a more recent reminder: https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/31/europe/medvedev-russia-nuclear-weapons-intl-hnk/index.html

I'd also be interested in seeing any evidence of Chinese guarantees of Ukraine, if you got any handy. Only fools trust rumors.

Your last paragraph was actually accurate, surprisingly. I suppose a little bit of truth seasons a bunch of random-ass claims like salt, doesn't it?

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Nuclear threats in particular. "Attack with nuclear weapons or threats thereof". They stopped just short of calling it a nuclear umbrella, considering it simply an expression of their non-proliferation doctrine, "make sure nuclear blackmail isn't a thing so states don't feel the need to acquire nukes".

The text of the unilateral declaration is apparently here but I don't read Chinese and google translate doesn't like pictures.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Fair. Maybe someone can come by and read it. I'll point out though, that Ukraine had similar "guarantees" with the US, the UK and Russia.

Statements without explicitly requiring a delineated mechanism of response can be empty words, even when signed as a treaty. As Ukraine's experiences should clearly demonstrate, though it shouldn't be hard to think of other times when treaties proved to be mere empty words.

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