submitted 1 year ago by StickBugged@lemm.ee to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Hello pirates! I've recently started high school, which means that I now get money from the state, which also means that my parents no longer pay for my Spotify premium. I could probably afford it, but I'd rather save my money, so I've been looking into different ways of obtaining music for free.

One thing that really caught my eye is Soulseek. It seems like a good option for my needs + I could set up a server on my raspberry pi to be able to access all of my music from anywhere.

My biggest concern is getting in trouble with the authorities, because my parents would kill me if the cops came knocking on our door due to me pirating stuff. So I was wondering whether it would be worth it to spend some money on a VPN (and which one), or if I should just raw dog it and not use a VPN at all? I live in Sweden, and I haven't found any cases of people getting arrested for pirating music, but it is technically illegal afaik.

Thankful for any answers!

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[-] StickBugged@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

You say that a VPN isn't needed for Soulseek because it is ptp (peer to peer I assume?), but I thought that was the same "thing" as torrents use, which I'm fairly certain you pretty much need a VPN for?

[-] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

With a torrent you’re downloading from many unknown peers, one of which could be a rights holder lawyer who will log your IP and send a threatening letter to your internet service provider. With Soulseek you are downloading from only one peer.

With a torrent you are downloading and uploading chunks at the same time. With Soulseek you have options about what you share for upload. If you were to get in trouble legally on Soulseek, it would probably be for what’s in your shared library, not for what you downloaded.

However, it’s not super polite to download from others without sharing. Some users block uploading to peers who aren’t sharing anything. My advice would be to go to your local library and find a few rare CDs of local music. Rip them to MP3 at a good bitrate and share them. Or maybe classical music? I’m not a lawyer, but just think of what music you can share where the artist or record label isn’t going to sue you. Independent and smaller record labels are probably not going to sue you.

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Or maybe classical music? I’m not a lawyer, but just think of what music you can share where the artist or record label isn’t going to sue you.

Classical isn't necessarily non-suable. You can share the sheet music Beethoven wrote, since he's been dead for a long time and his work is in public domain, but each new performance and recording of a given composition is also copyrighted by the musicians(s), since they have invested creative effort into its realisation.

Not that you'd be remotely likely to get fined either way, unless the publishing label is very prestigeous, Warner Classics or maybe Deutsche Grammophon (though even then if you're outside of US/UK or Germany I don't think they'd care).

[-] andrai@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

At least in Germany they get you by pirating and logging who seeds to them, as uploading is the killer not downloading. If you throttle your upload to 0kb/s aka disabling it you can torrent safely.

[-] 000999@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry,I should have written P2P. A vpn is advisable for public tracker torrents but not necessary for private trackers. Yes torrents can/are also p2p but public trackers are, by nature, not necessarily safe to use your real IP on. With soulseek you're downloading directly from one user's computer so the risk of getting a criminal charge is basically nonexistent as far as I know. https://www.reddit.com/r/Soulseek/comments/qs4qud/im_new_at_soulseek_do_i_need_to_use_vpn/

By the way, anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in any way here