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The world is really lucky that China's not doing that great at the moment. Not so long ago, China was winning the propaganda war internationally.
You don't want authoritarianism to win the argument by out-performing democracies.
I agree. I don't think we had or have anything to fear. The Chinese educational system is built around obedience, cultural homogeneity, and rote learning. Sure, there are fewer protests, and there is less crime, but also a SEVERE lack of innovation. I can count on one hand the number of innovations China has exported to the world in the last decade. Everything they build of note is based on stolen IP and figurative and literal slave labour. The world is finally clamping down on the former, and China's social progression to a service-based economy is putting an end to the latter. Their comparative competitive advantages are eroding by the day.
I wouldn't necessarily bet on this, authoritarian states are breeding grounds for corruption and that in turn fuels crime. I wouldn't be surprised if China has a problem with criminality that the government, at least on a local level, not only turns a blind eye to but is complicit in.
They've hit the middle income trap while simultaneously upsetting all their trading partners. It's not going to be a pretty fall from grace. Fake numbers saying how awesome things are only work for so long.
I suspect a major reason for Putin's most recent crimes was to prevent his people learning how much their neighbours are prospering.
Why doesn't China count as a democracy? People vote and the votes get counted and decide who runs things.
Why doesn't North Korea count as a democracy? People vote and the votes get counted and decide who runs things. /s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China
Hmm, why isn't the one-party state is considered a democracy? Truly baffling.
Why do you think voting for party is the only form of democracy?
Why don't you?
why dont we want that if its outperforming democracies
Ah the old “ends justify the means” argument. I’ve seen this one before somewhere
"the means", of course, being out-performing democracies
"the means" in this case would be authoritarian repression.
"The means" always has to be something bad for the "ends" to try and justify reaching for "the means".
Can you give a briefer on how it's outperforming democracies? I don't mean to be confrontational, I really want to hear why you think that.
i dont have a briefer on how its outperforming democracies, im not the one that came up with that premise
Wait, what? But you said:
I'm missing something here
hyperreality said
i argued based on that premise
you can tell because of the use of the word "if" in this sentence
if that premise was nonsense from the start they probably shouldnt have run an argument off it
Ahh, right, thank you for clarifying. The way the thread is structured made it seem like you were the one claiming that even though you were bouncing off the other comment. I'll need to be more careful.