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I just realised, I can't post anything on lemmy.ml

So, I checked https://lemmy.ml/modlog, there's a new moderator.

All posts and comments talking about China, Jinping, Russia, and Putin have been deleted and users banned

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[-] Silejonu@kbin.social 67 points 1 year ago

It was always a tankie den. The Lemmy developers are very openly tankies.
They held their heads relatively low during the whole Reddit exodus, but that's about it.

Here are some examples: https://raddle.me/f/lobby/159606/is-lemmy-still-a-tankie-platform-or-are-there-actual

[-] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago

Reading this really troubles me. I don’t like the implication that using lemmy is pushing authoritarian ideology.

If I was born 50 yrs earlier I would literally have been put in the gas chamber. I tick several qualifiers for it.

[-] wit@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

Yes, it might sound worrisome, but I dont think you are pushing authoritarian ideology by using Lemmy. The code itself is fine. The code is not authoritarian. The server which hosts your account is also not authoritarian.

Lemmy is, right now, the best alternative for a reddit-like platform. It is something created for the users, by the users. By using lemmy, you are not enriching the wallets of the shareholders. By using something like reddit, you provide content and a select few get to buy a new yacht.

Also, plenty of people are contributing code to lemmy. It is no longer just these 2. The code is also Open-Source. Anyone can fork it and create a new version of lemmy, with compatibility with the current version of lemmy. By using lemmy, you are allowing the possibility that, at any time in the future, someone else comes and says "I have some ideas to improve lemmy, let's do this on my own terms", forks it and continues the work without massively spliting the community.

[-] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago

I really enjoyed reading your explanation. Thank you very much.

This calms me down quite a bit. :) have a good day.

[-] MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I don't think comparing communism with fasism, at least when it comes to exterminating ethnic minorities is accurate. this is an opinion shared by academics, including coauthors of "The Black Book of Communism" (the book which claims communism killed 80M-100M people, though the upper end of the range is the one which has more attention. this number is disputed, again also by coauthors)

I could explain why I believe you shouldn't do this in my own words, but I will use the words of Nicolas Werth, one of the three main coauthors who distanced themselves from the book:

Death camps did not exist in the Soviet Union.

and

The more you compare Communism and Nazism, the more the differences are obvious.

Another quote I will give is from Amir Weiner an American historian and associate professor of Soviet history at Stanford University who wrote:

[w]hen Stalin's successors opened the gates of the Gulag, they allowed 3 million inmates to return home. When the Allies liberated the Nazi death camps, they found thousands of human skeletons barely alive awaiting what they knew to be inevitable execution.

I sourced these quotes from Wikipedia: "The Black Book of Communism", references 19 and 14.

My point isn't to say the Soviet Union, or other states which had or have Marxist-Leninist governments are without critique, but that comparing them to the III Reich, at the very least diminishes the crimes committed by Nazis and makes analysis of the aforementioned States more muddy.

[-] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Authoritarianism is bad regardless of the ideology behind it and leads to people with reasonable beliefs (communism could help people that capitalism harms) doing unreasonable things (denying active genocides being carried out by governments that have historically been pro-communism because... cognitive dissonance?) like the subject of this post.

[-] MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

I'm not attempting to argue communism is not bad in my comment, I believe this is even more true if you believe communism is bad.

I am strictly saying comparing Nazism and communism does not give a full picture, which is, AFAIK, something that experts in Soviet history, some of which I quoted, agree with.

What I'm trying to say is that comparing the two you risk either reducing the weight of crimes committed by Nazis, which are worse than those committed in any communist state, I hope you'll agree and also risk loosing the detail distinguishing the two.

I would elaborate further, but I want to make this comment shorter to make what I'm saying a bit more accessible.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I think you mean 80 years. Unless there were genociding gas chambers in 1973 I haven't heard about.

(And I would have been put in one too, just not in 1973.)

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Haui@discuss.tchncs.de: >If I was born 50 yrs earlier

FlyingSquid: >I think you mean 80 years

You presume to know his/her age?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that happened to me once too.

OK maybe twice.😋

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