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Time of death: 4:22 PM UTC September 26th

Notes, please read:

For those of you who don't know, HWID was the holy grail for Windows activation, letting you generate licenses straight from Microsoft licensing servers, being registered as fully legitimate in microsofts servers and letting you keep the activation permanently, even after windows reinstalls being completely undetectable and with nothing on your system being modified. If you're still using outdated activation methods and you missed out on this, I'm sorry

Existing HWID licenses are left unaffected. Only new requests are blocked, no licenses were revoked.

By the way, MAS still works and is the best option for Windows/Office activation. For permanent Office activation use it's Ohook method (supports subscription products such as 365 as well) and KMS38 for Windows

ALL OTHER ACTIVATION METHODS ARE STILL WORKING, ONLY METHOD AFFECTED IS HWID.

All HWID activators are affected, not only MAS

Around that time, Microsoft servers unexpectedly started blocking the licensing requests HWID activation method sends to Microsoft. This was a slow rollout that spanned over a few hours, at the moment the exploit is completely dead. The best options for Windows activation now is KMS38 or vlmcsd.

Patching this would boost illegal key reselling websites which causes more harm to Microsoft than HWID exploit. We can only wonder why they patched this.

{"code":"BadRequest","data":[],"details":[],"innererror":{"code":"PermanentTSLRejection","data":[],"details":[{"code":"113","message":"avsErrorCode","target":null}],"message":"The Purchase Service rejected the provided TSL; the client should destroy the TSL.","source":"PurchaseFD"},"message":"The calling client sent a bad request to the service.","source":"PurchaseFD"}

TLS=Temporary Signed License=The tickets HWID activation sends. Microsoft servers are now just responding with "kill it."

Transferring existing HWID licenses to other computers using Microsoft account is broken too.

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[-] Mars@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago

It’s funny how computers are almost the only human invention that for some reason must be able to be used without learning anything.

We don’t do that for almost anything else. We expect people to learn how to drive, how to fill taxes, how to buy things on the store, how to cook, how to play chess. It seems like the only cases when someone decides learning stuff is an inconvenience is when tech people get into another field and tries to disrupt it.

I am all about making things as simple as they can be, but not simpler. Intuitive is a super relative term that depends on your knowledge and life experience. People find Office intuitive after using it for twenty years, but for me is a nightmare where legacy features intermingle with weird cloud and AI shit, and most of the time I only need a markdown file. No interface is intuitive, they are only familiar, clear, accesible, discovereable, etc.

Interface Design goes in cycles of skeuomorphism and simplification because computer stuff is not Intuitive, you have to open the way with metaphors people can understand, and when they are part of everyday life you can make the app for the virtual credit cards not look like it’s made of leather.

[-] averyminya@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

There's definitely a fine line between having to learn the ins and outs of something to use it in any capacity and being able to just pick up something and have it work.

Musical instruments take years of practice. But after just a couple weeks most people can start fiddling around. Once there's a foundation, it gets built on.

Realistically, how many Linux users have memorized every command they use? How many of them actively are looking up lists or guides on how? The memes of developers just being professionals at search engines exists for a reason, no? That's not to say that there's no foundation under Linux, but it's much less encompassing.

Then there's the whole thing of inconsistency. In music or art, most of what you learn translates. Sure, if you're a baritone moving to a tenor you might have some adjustments, but it's quite literally a simple shift. Not the case for computers though, because there's no transposing from one "language" to another. If you're following a guide online and you don't have the same distro, chances are high it will not work.

I'm all for people learning and honing skills to accomplish a goal. I'm also for simplicity and ease of access. If someone wants to set up a personal home server, it does seem a little ridiculous to have to learn the entirety of the ins and outs of networking just because I want to host some local services. Especially when there are hundreds of guides all detailing how to, each with a different way of doing the same thing, and each not working on your personal system for whatever reason. It's also especially hard when a portion of the community becomes condescending when questions are asked.

All in all I think it comes down to the intent of the tool. For music and art the intent is both to create and to practice the skill for that creation. For computers, well there are people who can practice the skill of ____, but there is also how the computer was marketed to be used by everyone.You have people making the computers and the software and you have the people using them, the overlap between the two has always been small. The idea of practicing computer skills has effectively died outside of programming, which is understandable given that colloquial "computer skills" can now encompass any hobby under the sun.

[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But after just a couple weeks most people can start fiddling around. Once there’s a foundation, it gets built on.

Realistically, how many Linux users have memorized every command they use?

If they invested the same few weeks of time, all of the important ones and then some!

But people don't want to learn for even 5 minutes when it comes to computers. This is exactly parent commenters point.

Not the case for computers though, because there’s no transposing from one “language” to another. If you’re following a guide online and you don’t have the same distro, chances are high it will not work.

Yes there is, but people don't want to learn the fundamentals that enables them to see behind the instructions. Online tutorials for computer stuff are the music equivalent of a guitar tutorial going like "place index finger on position A. Strum with middle finger and thumb at position B for 3cm for a duration of 200ms touching strings 1 theough 3. Then...." instead of a bunch of notes. Obviously this series of excruciatingly boring instructions won't translate to even another guitar yet alone a piano. Same goes for computers. They have tonnes of things in common (just like instruments) but to see that you first have to learn the basic principles behind them.

[-] averyminya@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

To your last point about guitar not translating to piano - that's not true at all which is exactly my point. Regardless, I'm not disagreeing that computers need to be learned, my point is that they have been marketed specifically against that.

Ease of use is a huge part of computers existing in our world as they do today.

[-] yum13241@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Taxes aren't intuitive either.

[-] Stormyfemme@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

that's because there's a lot of money to be made in making it complicated.

[-] yum13241@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Driving isn't exactly intuitive either. You'd think you just hold gas and move the wheel around but it's a lot more complicated than that.

[-] Stormyfemme@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Right but we more or less mandate learning to drive in the states. If something is essential to daily functioning in life it should have some sort of public education and testing sort of vibe huh?

[-] yum13241@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

And we should mandate computer literacy classes, preferably stuff that's agnostic to OSes like avoiding viruses.

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