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[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

don't speak ill of the dead don't speak ill of the dead don't speak ill of the dead

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I believe this rule of basic decency does not apply to politicians or the ultra wealthy. Only other humans.

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Fuck the dead. Speak your peace. What they gonna do? Rot on you?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

It's more of a matter of what goes around comes around.

[-] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

If you aren't a POS, you have nothing to worry about. Its impolite to say it when she's alive at 90, its impolite now, when are we supposed to call her out for terrible behavior exactly?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

If you aren’t a POS, you have nothing to worry about. Its impolite to say it when she’s alive at 90, its impolite now, when are we supposed to call her out for terrible behavior exactly?

Because every human being is 100% perfect and has never had any POS moments in their life, right?

Respect for the dead is a real thing. Talking shit to someone's face is allot braver than talking behind their back when they're buried in the ground.

[-] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Of course everyone has had bad moments. They are part of the truth though, and should be spoken of publically where appropriate. Judge people by their entire life, not only by the good parts. We as a society were not brave enough to demand she step down 3 years ago, but we can at least do her the courtesy of not lying anymore now that she's dead.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

We as a society were not brave enough to demand she step down 3 years ago

Don't remember her condition being public knowledge 3 years ago?

[-] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago
[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The condition of being 90?

Its not the age, its the mileage (cognitive abilitiy), that matters.

/facepalm Is it reall that hard to understand that some people are more mentally healthy/whole at an age than others at the same age?

I get young people wanting to bash older people for bashing sake, makes them feel better. But there's no truth to that, only selfish satisfaction.

[-] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I have no interest in bashing old people, but I will literally believe it when I see it. There is truth to the fact that old people die, quite often. If someone can prove they're mentally and physically fit at age 90,more power to them. But if they can't pass a test that proves they are able, they shouldnt be allowed in the Senate. Its not rude to assume the thing that's almost always true about a group is true for an individual in that group.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

If someone can prove they’re mentally and physically fit at age 90,more power to them. But if they can’t pass a test that proves they are able, they shouldnt be allowed in the Senate.

Agree, for mentally. That's all I've ever been saying, that we shouldn't just arbitrarily based on a numeric value stop a person from working, but instead, as long as they're able to work let them, regardless of their physical age.

There are cognitive tests that exist today, medical practitioners already use them.

For physically, we had a president fight and win a war from a wheelchair. As long as they have a physical constitution for long hours during crisis situations I believe that's all that would really matter.

At the end of the day a president makes decisions and then delegates to others to have those decisions fulfilled, and that's a mental thing moreso than physical.

[-] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, by physically I meant more along the lines of "isn't probably going to have a heart attack tomorrow". And we need to be assuming incapability after a certain age, until proven otherwise. When a senator turns 75 or 80, they should be automatically retired unless they choose to prove their capability, with public oversight of the test results.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

And we need to be assuming incapability after a certain age, until proven otherwise.

When a senator turns 75 or 80, they should be automatically retired unless they choose to prove their capability,

We don't do that with older pilots, that's discriminatory to do it to them or anyone else. We're a nation of innocent until proven guilty.

Just give them a yearly cognitive test, that should waive any concerns someone would have.

with public oversight of the test results.

Definitely this. If there's ever one group of our society that would try to get around the rules for their own benefit it would be politicians.

[-] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

We should do that with pilots if we aren't. Not letting you be in a highly important position is not discrimination. There is a real concern over capability to do the job. Being a senator and flying a plane are not rights.

[-] moosh@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

At least Romney took the hint. But as much as I’d like to say good riddance, these days it seems like he’s one of the only rational republicans left in Congress.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago

It’s crazy. Romney is not some great person, but compared to the rest of his party, he looks like a beacon of hope for the return of debate about policy positions (gross as they may be) rather than having your constituents threaten and attack your opponents.

He gets his place in history though, as the only person to ever go against their party to do the right thing in an impeachment vote. (In addition to the whole presidential candidacy thing)

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

He is grounded by some principals, the rest of the party is free to drive right off a cliff.

[-] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

While I understand the sentiment, it honestly seems misplaced. We should be able to have completely honest conversations about the dead, even if it is conversations about the terrible things they did. A lot of dead people deserve people speaking ill about them.

[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

I agree but it's uncouth and surely someone would get upset.

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