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While I support bans in restaurants and cafes, I don't support prohibition, which is what a lot of Western nations are aiming at. We learned our lesson during the alcohol prohibition years in America, and for the last 70 years around the world with marijuana prohibition. The social effects are far worse when forcing recreational drugs underground. Educate support addiction programs, but don't ban.
Ban use in public in general. I don't want to be forced to walk through a cloud of cigarette smoke in front of a train station or waiting at a traffic light any more than in a restaurant. People can do what they want at home but constantly having to deal with drug addicts polluting the air around me shouldn't be accepted.
Now do cars
I don't need a cigarette to get to work or the grocery store.
Congratulations on discovering false equivalency.
Neither do you need a car in a well planned city.
Cool, I don't live in a well planned city and I would have to immigrate out of the country to do so, or wait likely decades for reforms to make their way here. In the mean time, I'll still need a car. I don't need to smoke a cig in public.
Nah mate. Just rip up the streets and relay them yourself, it's so simple smh.
I would need to drive to move to a different city. Checkmate.
Europe is working on it. They will ban the sale of new gas powered vehicles by 2035
When this was announced, my opinion was that only hobbyists would even be interested in gas powered cars by 2035. I have to admit I thought the transition to electric vehicles would pick up pace a little quicker more suddenly than it has so far, but there’s still time to have my prediction come true.
… and CARB states in the US
We're not America and we're not banning alcohol, nor are we banning the drug in tobacco that people smoke it for.
So it is an entirely different scenario to either American prohibition or to cannabis.
Yep, all the while alcoholism is at all time highs, so much so that they had to rebrand it as social drinking. Alcohol, still allowed to advertise every where, and can sell fruit flavors, but tobacco...nope. Tobacco should be left alone at this point. The majority of people don't smoke, like like 7% in the USA, this includes all tobacco users. Prohibition just creates blackmarkets and death.
Tell that to the vape industry. Nothing more disgusting than walking through a cloud of shit that smells like cotton candy.
Actually alcohol advertising is pretty limited in Europe due to EU wide regulations and some countries have even stricter rules, ranging from "not in public spaces" to straight up "no alcohol advertising at all"
Also I would point out alcohol is a big cusine thing and has been for centuries and you're nuts if you're upset schnapps are a thing but not strawberry cigarettes. Also like, flavoured vapes totally exist?
It used to be restricted in Sweden. Now of days, commercials on TV are 50% for online casinos, and 50% for alcohol. On billboards, they just write "non-alcoholic" text, yet the exact same bottles are primarily sold with alcohol.
I don't think either should be regulated like it is, but the idea with tobacco was that kids are drawn to it but somehow not alcohol with their fruity flavors. It's a bullshit double standard. And flavored cigars are what they went after....no kid is smoking an $8 acid cigar.
I agree ... Prohibition doesn't work.
But making it very difficult and expensive to maintain an addictive habit would much better.
The same would go for alcohol. If alcohol was more regulated, more controlled, not sold in public houses or businesses (including bars) and the price increased, taxed more with taxes going towards addiction treatment, education and medical assistance for those affected by alcohol .... less people would drink alcohol.
If you have a culture where you freely allow businesses to promote, sell and provide an addictive substance that provides little to no health benefit .... especially if it makes high profits ... companies will want to encourage a culture of making their substance widely acceptable.
Alcohol looks acceptable because it's promoted, advertised and normalized everywhere. If it weren't, less people would be drinking.
Advertising of smoking is highly regulated and discouraged now ... smoking is no longer normalized ... which is why people smoke less.
Now that would be fascinating. Britain has a deeply entrenched drinking culture. Regularly getting drunk to the point of vomiting and passing is very common. The managers where I work all live away and stay in hotels when they visit my town every other week. They all go out and get wasted on a Wednesday night (with company funds, totally legitimately) and often don't come into work Thursday so they can drive home in the afternoon when they sober up. All totally normal.
Ban advertising, pub drinking and cheap supermarket booze. Inflate the price and run a massive anti-drinking campaign. It'd be interesting to see how long it'd take for the tide to turn. Also, if we end up going the way of America during prohibition with illicit alcohol flooding the streets, how long that would take to die down and for people to accept it.
But it'll never happen. No politician is even going to think about limiting the availability of alcohol in this country. They'd be so unpopular it'd be political suicide for them and their party.
A lot also drink alcohol because it is about the only thing that can help them relax after a shitty day of work in this society.
Inflating the price will have plenty of people on edge, all while those managers can still go on a alcohol bender, just at every 4 weeks instead.
Harmful to others habbit.
Also alchohol is a drug, that creates dagerous behaviour. And more addictive than some banned drugs.
i will be a cigarette smuggler in this modern age
Practice not being startled.
It's weird there's such a push to ban cigarettes while smoking marijuana is becoming more acceptable.
People simply smoke a lot more cigs than pot per day. If you smoked 10-20 joints a day for many years your lungs and body would be wrecked too.
I don't find it weird at all. Cannabis is less harmful, less addictive, and subjectively, I find it way more fun.
Tobacco (nicotine) is hyper addictive to the point where people gradually get chemically compelled to smoke just about all the time. Arguably maybe caffeine is similarly compelling (I certainly drink caffeine all day), but most people consider caffeine to be pretty benign. Cigarettes are one of the hardest soft drugs to quit.
The long-term health effects of cannabis probably need to be studied more, but prohibition has actually made it harder to do just that. Now that the laws around weed have relaxed a little bit, it'll be much easier for people to legitimately do the scientific studies needed to show how cannabis affects the human body, how it affects the mind and mood, how additive it is compared to other common drugs, how it is typically used, and what effects legalization has on society compared to decades of criminalization.
The thing that I find truly weird, and actually pretty upsetting, is that I can stop by one of the many dispensaries around here and pick up weed flower or a 10-pack of cannabis gummies for like 15 bucks, but in other parts of the country there are people sitting in jail for less.
I mean breathing in smoke seems is bad for you no matter what.
Those "control freaks" only exist in your imagination, look at the reality around you. Almost everyone's up for legalization of cannabis.
Tobacco users however are a huge burden on national health programs (ok except on the US, where people are just expected to cough up all their family's money before they die idk)
Totally missed your reply.
"Actual science"?! Show me one single scientific article that defends tobacco usage for depression or anxiety. I'll be waiting.
As for prohibitionists, if you keep digging for long enough you're bound to come up with a couple nutjobs that do support banning tobacco. The thing with these fringe extremists is that they're irrelevant, up until the moment you go up to them and give them a loudspeaker just so that you can come back crying "see I told you they exist, they're coming for me".
As for cannabis, note that I brought it up to point out that the "zeitgeist" is NOT prohibition, in fact it's the opposite. The fact that it's still illegal in some places speaks more to how out of tune some politicians and even the courts are with the rest of society.